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PyreneesPie 
PyreneesPie
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| Quote: | | "Each and every one of those 10, when they made that vote, they knew in their heads and in their hearts it was probably a political death sentence. They knew that," said former Rep. Joe Walsh, |
^ It's a sad aspect of politics that those trying to do the right thing to protect their nation's viability as a democracy may have to pay for it with their careers. Such persons of courageous stature are exactly the type who should be retaining their seats and influence. |
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PyreneesPie
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| Tannin wrote: | | PP, the Trumpistas will scream victimhood no matter bloody what you do. So we might as well just do the right thing and let the cards fall where the cards fall. |
A very valid point Tannin  |
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Pies4shaw 
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| ^^^ I don't think anyone really believes that 17 Republicans will vote to convict (although it would, of course, be beyond hilarious if they did). It's the potential political consequence of Republicans being compelled to take a position that makes this interesting. |
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What'sinaname 
Joined: 29 May 2010
Location: Living rent free
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Who needs congress?
Joe will just sign EOs. He's up to, what, 60 EOs.
And he's employed a Press Sec who can't explain anything.
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stui magpie 
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005
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New POTUS, sign EO's like IOU's for the first few weeks, capitaslise on the warm fuzzies of the voters before the inevitable fatigue of not being able to get anything done because of Congress.
Every POTUS since whenever.
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Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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Pies4shaw
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/09/trump-impeachment-senate-vote-trial
The Senate voted that the trial is constitutional. 6 Republicans sided with the Democrats on that question. Next comes the interesting part. As I have previously said, it's one thing to say that he shouldn't be convicted because "we lack jurisdiction" - it's another thing altogether to say that he shouldn't be convicted because what he did wasn't actually treasonous. Interesting times. The substantive trial - and the coverage of Republican voting on it - could do considerable and lasting damage to the Republican Party amongst the ranks of those they need to woo to get back into power. |
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Tannin 
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Joined: 06 Aug 2006
Location: Huon Valley Tasmania
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Pies4shaw
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And here's an opinion poll (Gallup) that suggests that Republican approval is slipping, even amongst Republicans: https://news.gallup.com/poll/329561/gop-image-slides-giving-democrats-strong-advantage.aspx
It may be just temporary, of course - but that's the real issue about the present trial - can the Republicans survive this without imploding politically?
The parties were neck and neck on favourability before the election but the Democrats were apparently 11% ahead by the start of February 2021. |
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Sicks Bux 
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Joined: 30 Jun 2020
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I always expect more guns to be at American riots, given how much I hear about their gun culture. Didn't see one person in that mob with a gun.
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stui magpie
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Most of them were more interested in waving flags and taking selfies. As far as riots go it was very underwhelming.
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Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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watt price tully 
Joined: 15 May 2007
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Pies4shaw
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| ^ No doubt Stui is proffering his opinion based on his extensive first-hand experience of riots and insurrections. |
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stui magpie
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Well, not all of us have had the cosseted life you have.
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Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down. |
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Pies4shaw
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I expect that I've been at just as many riots and insurrections as you, Stui.
Oh, and one more mass killing incident (Mr Gargasoulas in Bourke St). |
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Tannin
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| stui magpie wrote: | | Most of them were more interested in waving flags and taking selfies. As far as riots go it was very underwhelming. |
Correct. Only seven deaths. What a poor effort.
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