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Cam 
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| Gerry Cooper wrote: | | Magpietothemax wrote: | Just watching the Adelaide Geelong game, and I am so envious at how brilliantly Adelaide's 3 gamers and debutantes played.
We seem so far behind in all aspects of the game: injury management, recruitment, development of young players.... |
It makes me question the effectiveness of whatever we did over the pre-season. And whose responsibility is that again? |
Yeah I have a theory.
We are not that slow. We looked slow. I have a feeling we overcooked our boys by a week on the track and thus we looked like a spent force, ala Hafey '77 replay. So....
There will be a lighter week on the track this week and we will look like jets against the Blues.
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Cruisinwithdids
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| thebaldfacts wrote: | Hate to bring this up, but is it time to consider the T word?
Probably premature, but with Nick Daicos as a potential number1 pick, we can possibly get the 2 best players in this year's draft.
Lets just play the kids, give them all valuable game time. Natural consequence of this is we will likely lose most games.
Come year end, we may finish bottom and get the prized first pick.
If Nick Daicos, is rated the top pick, we don't pick him as number 1 and pick the next best player and then match a bid for Daicos .
Potentially we get picks 1 & 2 in the draft. |
We should, I agree play whatever young players are near ready ahead of guys that are close to finished and don’t contribute enough. We need high draft picks to kick off a new era so the lower we finish the better to help that cause. |
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Pies2016
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| SteveH67 wrote: | Look at the KP players Essendon have recruited in the last draft.
Swans rebuild starting come good too.
Hine needs to go this season.
Refresh the whole football dept |
Zac Reid and Nik Cox were both selected before our first pick. When you throw in Perkins, they have nailed that draft.
But that’s what happens when you don’t win a final for 15 years. The AFL will make you competitive again by rewarding you for mediocrity.
But when you have played in the last three consecutive finals series ( as bad as Hine is at his job ) you don’t get those same rewards while you’re competitive. |
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I know its only Round 1.
But lets examine some points
What did the Coaching staff work on over the pre season.
It seems obvious (or maybe not) that the current style of play gamestyle/gameplan by the coaching staff (Buckley & co) this is just not good enough to win in Finals or make it to a Grand Final. it has been surpassed by many clubs and too easy to combat.
Yes we actually beat West Coast. But one finals wini all be it against the odds doesnt mean we are doing the right thing. I dont quite see the team playing as a unit together for eachother.
They seem in dissray in all aspects of the game and only our backling seems to work well. But if we cant score goals how can we win enough games to compete. Scoring 6-8 goals a game is not good enough.
How many times has Collingwood scored over 100 points over the last 2 years.
Something seems very wrong at Collingwood. The hunger doesn't seem to be there.
As close as Buckley came. i feel his 10 years of coaching will be ultimately a failure. No premiership. We should have had more than 1 premiership after 2010.
Forget 2018 it was one out of the box. Great effort but not that was it.
2012 - 2020 (apart from 2018) no premiership success. Close enough is not good enough. We need to stop accepting close enough is good enough. When it is not.
The review in 2017 really did not succeed in helping in anyway.
Collingwood has problems in multiple areas.
Recruiting
Player management - injuries are a big problem
Gameplan/Gamestyle
Assistant Coaches
We seem just to have lost the Collingwood way over the last 10 years.
What will 2021 bring. We don't know.
I just dont want to continue the same way expecting change.
We need to make change happen.
Make Collinigwood a success again. Aim to win Premierships
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Rd10.1998_11.1#36
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Joined: 18 Jul 2018
Location: Sevilla, Spain
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| SteveH67 wrote: | | Look at the KP players Essendon have recruited in the last draft |
Look at the 40 point lead they choked on... against Hawthorn 
That and the brisbane and geelong games have taken the edge off our loss for me
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Cruisinwithdids
Joined: 21 Sep 2016
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| Pies2016 wrote: | | SteveH67 wrote: | Look at the KP players Essendon have recruited in the last draft.
Swans rebuild starting come good too.
Hine needs to go this season.
Refresh the whole football dept |
Zac Reid and Nik Cox were both selected before our first pick. When you throw in Perkins, they have nailed that draft.
But that’s what happens when you don’t win a final for 15 years. The AFL will make you competitive again by rewarding you for mediocrity.
But when you have played in the last three consecutive finals series ( as bad as Hine is at his job ) you don’t get those same rewards while you’re competitive. |
For Collingwood there’s more to its drafting issues than the fact we have played 3 years of finals. It’s over paying for Beams & Treloar, costing us future high picks. It’s not moving on Jamie Elliott when the opportunity was there. It’s the recruitment of average mids over forwards. Then it’s the lack of development within the club making our debutants look unready. |
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MatthewBoydFanClub
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: Elwood
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| Cruisinwithdids wrote: | | Pies2016 wrote: | | SteveH67 wrote: | Look at the KP players Essendon have recruited in the last draft.
Swans rebuild starting come good too.
Hine needs to go this season.
Refresh the whole football dept |
Zac Reid and Nik Cox were both selected before our first pick. When you throw in Perkins, they have nailed that draft.
But that’s what happens when you don’t win a final for 15 years. The AFL will make you competitive again by rewarding you for mediocrity.
But when you have played in the last three consecutive finals series ( as bad as Hine is at his job ) you don’t get those same rewards while you’re competitive. |
For Collingwood there’s more to its drafting issues than the fact we have played 3 years of finals. It’s over paying for Beams & Treloar, costing us future high picks. It’s not moving on Jamie Elliott when the opportunity was there. It’s the recruitment of average mids over forwards. Then it’s the lack of development within the club making our debutants look unready. |
I’ve been arguing this point for the last 12 months. When we were playing Varcoe and Reid last season we should have been playing kids. Hine has recruited well. They look good on the training track but have yet to build up their bodies and lack senior AFL games in their feet. There is no easy fix in the AFL when you lose your most valuable senior players. You just have to play the kids and accept the inevitable that you’re going to lose games of AFL footy before you start winning again. So don’t blame Buckley. Don’t blame Hine. Blame the fact that we thought we were close to a premiership and overpaid for proven players we thought would get us over the line. |
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pietillidie
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| Cam wrote: |
Yeah I have a theory.
We are not that slow. We looked slow. I have a feeling we overcooked our boys by a week on the track and thus we looked like a spent force, ala Hafey '77 replay. So....
There will be a lighter week on the track this week and we will look like jets against the Blues. |
I know what you mean, but it's pretty obvious that a midfield of Pendles, Adams, de Goey and Brown is slow. They're very good players, but as a group they lack either physical intimidation or explosive pace. Only de Goey has an intimidation factor. Treloar is no loss because he was simply more of the same. Sier is no gain for the very same reason.
Sure, everyone looks 'faster' when the team is up. But you need explosive physicality in this game to beat good teams, whether power, speed, leap or all at once. Compare with a Dane Swan don't arguing and exploding away from the pack over the first 15m, despite other deficiencies in his game. A midfield without that speed/strength combo (i.e., explosive power), is playing the wrong sport.
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| Magpietothemax wrote: | Just watching the Adelaide Geelong game, and I am so envious at how brilliantly Adelaide's 3 gamers and debutantes played.
We seem so far behind in all aspects of the game: injury management, recruitment, development of young players.... |
Wait til you see the Swans game! Kids dominating last years prelim finalist |
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Pep
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We rely on individuals to win games, Cox and De goey mostly.
If they dont kick 5-8 goals between them, we will most likely lose, checkers is good value but not a dominant forward.
All teams have to do is put a moderate amount of pressure as we dont have the skills to get our selves out like the bulldogs did.
Hopefully we see an improvement next week. |
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JC Hartley 
16 premierships now in the history books. Let's be the first club to 17 premierships.
Joined: 22 Dec 2008
Location: South Yarra
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In the opening game of the 2021 season, Collingwood lost convincingly to the Western Bulldogs by 16 points, despite having one less scoring shot than their opponents (Collingwood had 18 scoring shots to 19). The Bulldogs jumped the Magpies early with the first 3 goals in the opening 6 minutes, a deficit that Collingwood could not recover from, despite finding a way to hang in the contest on two or three occasions after that initial onslaught without hitting the front to lead or to win the game. The Bulldogs starved the Woods of possession with constant fluency and movement with the spread of uncontested possessions mounting up on the back of the Bulldogs taking away Collingwood's strength, which was winning the contested ball, which allowed the Dogs to play a high-possession game where they had more time and space to allow their ball winners and playmakers to be much more effective and influential. Collingwood were very disjointed with their brand of footy and extremely disconnected with forward entries resulting in intercept marks to the Bulldogs, dropped or missed marks once inside 50, before wayward snaps that resulted in behinds ultimately killed off any genuine chance of gaining momentum against the grain and run of play.
The only statistical categories that Collingwood won on the night, were hit-outs by +27 (46 - 19), intercept possessions were won by +2 (78 - 76), and Contested Marks had a differential of +2 (17 - 15). The Western Bulldogs had a differential of +149 for disposals (465 - 316), kicks were won by +62 (259 - 197), +87 for handballs (206 - 119), contested possessions had a margin of +25 (156 - 131), followed by an advantage of +124 for uncontested possessions (304 - 180). The Dogs were then able to take a lead of of +35 for uncontested marks (109 - 74), while clearances were won by +6 (38 - 32), with centre clearances up by +3 ( 11 - 8 ), and stoppage clearances also had a margin of +3 (27 - 24). Tackles were + 5 (57 - 52), and Tackles Inside 50 had an advantage of +12 (17 - 5). The Bulldogs capped off their field dominance with a differential of +6 for Marks Inside 50 (11 - 5), and they generated a lead of +19 for Inside 50s (60 - 41).
Scott Pendlebury (25 disposals @ 72%, 570 metres gained, 13 contested possessions, 12 uncontested possessions, 7 intercept possessions, 15 kicks, 10 handballs, 4 marks, 5 tackles, 2 goal assists, 7 score involvements, 4 clearances, 3 stoppage clearances, 7 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) was the only Collingwood midfielder to generate any kind of fluency and ball movement whenever he gained possession. Unfortunately for Pendlebury, he was less than exemplary as were all of his teammates on the night to be frank.
Taylor Adams (20 disposals @ 60%, 267 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 11 uncontested possessions, 8 kicks, 12 handballs, 2 marks, 4 tackles, 2 Tackles Inside 50, 4 score involvements, 8 clearances, 3 centre clearances, 5 stoppage clearances & 3 Inside 50s) won his clearances, but did not generate any substantial progress when he gathered possession.
Jordan De Goey (16 disposals @ 56%, 309 metres gained, 7 contested possessions, 9 uncontested possessions, 10 kicks, 6 handballs, 4 tackles, 2 goal assists, 9 score involvements, 4 clearances, 4 stoppage clearances & 4 Inside 50s) spent most of his time in the midfield, with stints up forward. He would be filthy that he did not convert any of his scoring shots into goals.
Jack Crisp (23 disposals @ 74%, 529 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 14 uncontested possessions, 7 intercept possessions, 17 kicks, 6 handballs, 7 marks, 2 tackles, 5 score involvements, 4 clearances, 2 centre clearances, 2 stoppage clearances, 3 Inside 50s, 6 Rebound 50s & 1 goal) had a solid game without lifting the team to great heights.
John Noble (22 disposals @ 77%, 245 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 13 uncontested possessions, 6 intercept possessions, 18 kicks, 4 handballs, 5 marks, 2 tackles, 2 score involvements, 2 clearances, 2 stoppage clearances & 3 Rebound 50s) won a lot of possessions behind the ball, without generating any run off half-back, as he was forced to either switch the ball across the ground, or go down the line to hit up targets with short kicks that were not able to generate potency.
Brayden Maynard (21 disposals @ 86%, 685 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 15 uncontested possessions, 6 intercept possessions, 18 kicks, 3 handballs, 4 marks, 4 tackles, 6 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 7 Rebound 50s) distributed the footy very well, but the lack of connectivity with his teammates further afield meant he didn't influence the game directly.
Jack Madgen (19 disposals @ 79%, 242 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 14 uncontested possessions, 6 intercept possessions, 8 kicks, 11 handballs, 7 marks, 3 tackles, 3 score involvements & 4 Rebound 50s) can hold his head up high after an admirable performance where he played his role well and effectively without being a standout.
Darcy Moore (18 disposals @ 94%, 347 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 9 uncontested possessions, 9 intercept possessions, 14 kicks, 4 handballs, 12 marks, 6 Contested Marks, 4 score involvements & 5 Rebound 50s) was the standout player on a dire night for the Woods. Marked everything that came his way, and generated excellent ball movement whenever he transitioned the ball from defence into attack.
Mason Cox (15 disposals @ 53%, 204 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 6 uncontested possessions, 7 hit-outs, 11 kicks, 4 handballs, 6 marks, 4 Contested Marks, 2 Marks Inside 50, 4 score involvements, 2 clearances, 3 Inside 50s & 2 goals) made the most of his limited opportunities on a night where Collingwood's forwards were starved of opportunities, which forced Cox to lead higher up the ground across half-back to take marks or create contests, which made the Magpies smaller ahead of the ball, which caused many issues.
Brody Mihocek (11 disposals @ 54%, 318 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 7 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 7 kicks, 4 handballs, 6 marks, 2 Marks Inside 50, 2 tackles, 6 score involvements, 3 Inside 50s & 2 goals) provided an avenue to goal to compliment Cox nicely. Kept presenting to the ball carrier or kicker, even though there was a lack of supply which proved to be telling on the night.
Jamie Elliott (12 disposals @ 58%, 184 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 8 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 7 kicks, 5 handballs, 3 marks, 2 tackles, 4 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 2 goals) made the most of his limited opportunities to impact the scoreboard.
Collingwood's next game will be against Carlton at the MCG on March 25. Plenty of key areas to work on against the Blues on Thursday night. For Collingwood to prevail, they will need to win the ball inside the contest and feed it off to runners who are moving, who shall hopefully maintain possession effectively and give the forwards plenty of chances to take marks and kick goals. Secondly, Brodie Grundy needs to extract his digit and ensure his taps go to his team's advantage to enable ball movement from within the contest. Thirdly, forward half territory will be extremely important, and generating stoppages inside the front half of the ground will allow Collingwood a greater chance of scoring goals against Carlton. Shall the Magpies tick all of those boxes, by winning the contested ball, maintaining possession, and generating scores from stoppages in the forward half, it will go a long way to getting a timely victory. A victory that would make everybody at Collingwood much more ebullient, especially as it would allow the club to go past Carlton in the head-to-head battle for the most wins in 4 decades. Collingwood have not been ahead of Carlton for the most victories since 1981. Perfect opportunity to get ahead of the ledger, Woods! Make it count!
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Lazza
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| Cam wrote: | We looked rusty, and it was game 1, once upon a time, before everything was micromanaged no-one would have been too worried. But the 24/7 newscycle doesn't allow patience now.
Having said that, it looked like Western Bulldogs firsts against our seconds plus Moore, Pendles and Crisp. But we will get better. However, lose the next 4 and it will be under a new coach in round 6. That's just the business, it ain't personal. |
I have never been a fan of sacking coaches mid season and having caretaker coaches. If your scenario happens to come true, then I would still keep Buckley and play all the kids and see those who stand out and those who don’t. I think this will help clear the decks for the appointment of a new coach and for the catchment of new recruits for next season.
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