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Rd10.1998_11.1#36
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Piesnchess
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| Magpietothemax wrote: | | BEAMER09 wrote: |
ps/ Let's not get excited IF we beat the Kangas... |
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Yes, true, ALL it does, is stop the rot, stem the bleeding, from 4 straight losses, thats bout it. But, it does give us a chance to take a breather, re load, and go again, and wait for Howe, Tay, and Jamie to get back, then we might actually string a few wins together, get out of this slump, at last. 
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eddiesmith 
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| Rd10.1998_11.1#36 wrote: | | What happened to all the people who were screaming for Moore to go forward?? |
Disappeared with the people who defended Buckley |
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RudeBoy
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| Rd10.1998_11.1#36 wrote: | | What happened to all the people who were screaming for Moore to go forward?? |
Exactly. |
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What'sinaname 
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| Rd10.1998_11.1#36 wrote: | | What happened to all the people who were screaming for Moore to go forward?? |
Rosolino_Leone has been very quiet lately. |
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Swanny2011
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| Quote: | | What happened to all the people who were screaming for Moore to go forward?? |
I am still here shaking my head in disbelief at the crazy thinking and strategy of the coaches as how to get the best out of our players.
Moore needed to be told in the preseason he was playing forward and then train all preseason as a forward. You can't expect to throw him forward for a couple of games and then expect him to dominate.
Particularly as we all know the forwards at Collingwood have limited supply.
I come back to a few reasons why he should play as a forward.
He is athletic, quick off the mark has an excellent leap and strong overhead. He is also has a good kicking technique. He is the best key position player Collingwood has on the list!
To my mind you play your best key position player with those attributes as a forward not as a backman.
You can always find average but competent footballers to fill back key positions. J Roughead is my case in point.
When these teams were losing or winning when did you see these above average key position players play in the backline? Garry Lyon, M.Richardson, A Rocca, Jonathan Brown, Nick and Jack Riewoldt, J Kennedy, J Darling, A Naughton, Harry Mackay, Charlie Dixon ...etc (My List can go on and on).
I am not saying he can be better than or equal two any of those players (some of them great players). But now that his body has matured he should be played and given the opportunity to hone his craft as a forward. |
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Pies4shaw 
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| He's a low-possession/disposal player and he doesn't read the game well when he's forward of the ball. He's a good player but by no means a great one - and he's certainly not a star forward. At best, he's a potentially-competent forward and no more than that. Given that he's a very good footballer down back, we should play him there and look for a proper forward. |
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5 from the wing on debut
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | He's a low-possession/disposal player and he doesn't read the game well when he's forward of the ball. He's a good player but by no means a great one - and he's certainly not a star forward. At best, he's a potentially-competent forward and no more than that. Given that he's a very good footballer down back, we should play him there and look for a proper forward. |
That's the big problem though.
We can't get one.
We can't afford to pay for an established one because, well, you know why.
Under the present regime none have shown any real interest in us anyway.
We can't draft one because the good prospects go early.
That leaves us looking amongst the speculative longshots or remodelled defenders. |
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Pies2016
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| Rd10.1998_11.1#36 wrote: | | What happened to all the people who were screaming for Moore to go forward?? |
Yep. Maybe the same fool who screamed for Alistair Lynch to go from full back to full forward. You won’t know until you try it.
It’s funny, he gets criticised for trying something when the season is well and truly shot and then criticised for trying something.
No credit for putting Daicos into the centre of course, a decent coach would have done that years ago.
Buckley has some significant faults but surely switching things around in a lost season can’t be one of them. |
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5 from the wing on debut
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| Didn't lynch start as a high leaping FF at Fitzroy but was moved to FB because he was such a wild kick? |
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think positive
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| 5 from the wing on debut wrote: | | Pies4shaw wrote: | | He's a low-possession/disposal player and he doesn't read the game well when he's forward of the ball. He's a good player but by no means a great one - and he's certainly not a star forward. At best, he's a potentially-competent forward and no more than that. Given that he's a very good footballer down back, we should play him there and look for a proper forward. |
That's the big problem though.
We can't get one.
We can't afford to pay for an established one because, well, you know why.
Under the present regime none have shown any real interest in us anyway.
We can't draft one because the good prospects go early.
That leaves us looking amongst the speculative longshots or remodelled defenders. |
yep
i wanted him forward, hes paid to much to be a defender.
what we need is a good forward coach to teach him to be one. same as we needed for Cloke.
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| Magpietothemax wrote: | | BEAMER09 wrote: |
ps/ Let's not get excited IF we beat the Kangas... |
Absolutely |
i think it will be relief more than anything else,
or lose and its utter despair!!!
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Skids 
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| eddiesmith wrote: | | Rd10.1998_11.1#36 wrote: | | What happened to all the people who were screaming for Moore to go forward?? |
Disappeared with the people who defended Buckley |
I'll think you'll find all the people that were bagging Bucks, were the ones saying he should send Moore forward. He's a brilliant defender.
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Swanny2011
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| Quote: | | He's a low-possession/disposal player and he doesn't read the game well when he's forward of the ball. He's a good player but by no means a great one - and he's certainly not a star forward. At best, he's a potentially-competent forward and no more than that. Given that he's a very good footballer down back, we should play him there and look for a proper forward. |
I am not sure on your assessment. You don't need to be a high disposal player as a key forward to have a significant impact. The biggest impact you can have as a key forward is to kick goals.
Lets for interest sake look at Nick Riewoldt, J Brown, J Kennedy and Moore total goals in their first 2 years in the game.
Reiwoldt played 28 games and kicked 23 goals ave .82
Brown played 38 games and kicked 43 goals ave 1.13
Kennedy played 23 games kicked 11 goals ave .47
Moore played 26 games and kicked 31 goals ave 1.19
You have to remember also that Reiwoldt and Brown walked into very good footy sides. Reiwoldt had Fraser Gehrig and Hamill for support. Brown had Lynch, Brayshaw and Pike for support. Kennedy was playing for Carlton enough said. Moore had a banged up T Cloke for support.
My point is and still is that Moore could have been a great forward. Now that he is more experienced and a better body shape and considering where our list is at, it would have been a good decision to play him as a permanent forward for all of the 2021 season not throw him up there as an after thought.
I guess we will never know now as I think he will remain in the backline for the rest of his career. |
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The Boy Who Cried Wolf
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| Skids wrote: | | eddiesmith wrote: | | Rd10.1998_11.1#36 wrote: | | What happened to all the people who were screaming for Moore to go forward?? |
Disappeared with the people who defended Buckley |
I'll think you'll find all the people that were bagging Bucks, were the ones saying he should send Moore forward. |
Emmm idk, When Moore came to the club, I hoped they played him forward but to be honest he's been amazing down back. Now I can see why they may have moved him forward recently, and I'm ok with that too (as I've said before I'd also be happy to see him play ruck and Grundy ruck/rover, but whatever..), but what I don't understand is why the flip flop (at the start of a game with the thought of him playing forward all game as opposed to swinging him forward in the last 1/4 of a game to pinch it)? Why throw him forward and then flip flop back ? It just smacks of complete confusion on what we're trying to actually achieve long term.
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