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BazBoy
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Saint fielded 21 players today (if you include the ones in yellow)
That said some of our indirect and poor decisions helped us very little
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| mudlark wrote: | | 7 of our behinds today came from set shots, basically dead in front fro inside 30 mtrs. Started with Cameron ended with Thomas ,who got his 3 or 4 touches when it didn't matter and kicked a goal then missed 2 that would have counted.Same with Miochec, don't care if thats the wrong spelling.2 touches till half way through the last qtr, kicks 2 in quick time then misses a sitter, the CRUCIAL one that would have near won us the game . Happens every week with these 2. Umpires should be brought up with the AFL.It was blatant cheating. How DeGoey didn't get that free in the last is beyond my comprehension. Mayne is just horrible.At least 4 of his dinky little kicks out of defence went straight to the opposition.Goes sidewards or backwards at every opportunity and stops the flow of play every time he has the ball in hand. Madgen just should never get a game in black and white again.He has no idea. I watched the VFL game and if Tom Wilson isn't a better prospect than Mayne and Keane isn't better than Madgen then I know nothing about footy in my 68th year being a Collingwood supporter. The relevant question is WHY would you sack Buckley now and then put an even more clueless coach in who just plays the same spuds week in week out? That was as painful a game I have ever endured and then they pull out a last qtr like that!!! My only wish now is that we destroy Richmonds finals chances next week and the rest won't matter. |
Checkers did not used to miss high pressure shots on goal. I remember when he first made his brilliant entry into the team, one of his finest characteristics was to slot the high pressure goal when it counted. Strange, I didn't think Madgen was as bad as you say today. But I am all for giving Wilson another go if he was great in the VFL today. Also i want to see Sier get a game. We don;t have an operational midfield at the moment, so that surely can't hurt.
I am not sure what to make of the last quarter. Some are saying it is just a total product of StKilda's fall in intensity and effort. Maybe our soporific style of play also helps. The oppposition partially falls into a coma, and then in the last quarter we take advantage. Or maybe, the players just decide that the structures and instructions of the coaches are bs, and they take the initiative to largely play be instinct. Maybe a combination of all three. But I think that the shackles do come off mentally for us when the game is hopelessly lost. Suddenly, the cost of a mistake is no longer critical, so risks are more acceptable, and energy levels rise.
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Magpietothemax
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| mudlark wrote: | | 7 of our behinds today came from set shots, basically dead in front fro inside 30 mtrs. Started with Cameron ended with Thomas ,who got his 3 or 4 touches when it didn't matter and kicked a goal then missed 2 that would have counted.Same with Miochec, don't care if thats the wrong spelling.2 touches till half way through the last qtr, kicks 2 in quick time then misses a sitter, the CRUCIAL one that would have near won us the game . Happens every week with these 2. Umpires should be brought up with the AFL.It was blatant cheating. How DeGoey didn't get that free in the last is beyond my comprehension. Mayne is just horrible.At least 4 of his dinky little kicks out of defence went straight to the opposition.Goes sidewards or backwards at every opportunity and stops the flow of play every time he has the ball in hand. Madgen just should never get a game in black and white again.He has no idea. I watched the VFL game and if Tom Wilson isn't a better prospect than Mayne and Keane isn't better than Madgen then I know nothing about footy in my 68th year being a Collingwood supporter. The relevant question is WHY would you sack Buckley now and then put an even more clueless coach in who just plays the same spuds week in week out? That was as painful a game I have ever endured and then they pull out a last qtr like that!!! My only wish now is that we destroy Richmonds finals chances next week and the rest won't matter. |
Checkers did not used to miss high pressure shots on goal. I remember when he first made his brilliant entry into the team, one of his finest characteristics was to slot the high pressure goal when it counted. Strange, I didn't think Madgen was as bad as you say today. But I am all for giving Wilson another go if he was great in the VFL today. Also i want to see Sier get a game. We don;t have an operational midfield at the moment, so that surely can't hurt.
I am not sure what to make of the last quarter. Some are saying it is just a total product of StKilda's fall in intensity and effort. Maybe our soporific style of play also helps. The oppposition partially falls into a coma, and then in the last quarter we take advantage. Or maybe, the players just decide that the structures and instructions of the coaches are bs, and they take the initiative to largely play be instinct. Maybe a combination of all three. But I think that the shackles do come off mentally for us when the game is hopelessly lost. Suddenly, the cost of a mistake is no longer critical, so risks are more acceptable, and energy levels rise.
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| doriswilgus wrote: | What a bizarre game.I don’t know what to make of it.Horrible for three quarters then we nearly pinched it in the last.People say St Kilda took the foot off the pedal in the last quarter and that it flattered us.Maybe so.But they looked dead on their feet to me in the last five minutes and were running up and down on the spot,just like we were in the first three quarters.
If Adams hadn’t turned the ball over with about two minutes to go with that shocking kick,then who knows what could have happened.Obviously we didn’t deserve to win,but we still could have pinched it,which is strange when you think how badly we played for most of the match. |
Exactly Doris. Perhaps the fact that the Saints took their foot off the pedal was that they themselves had no more gas, which means that despite our insipid game up to that point, we did hang in long enough to cause some attrition. Like you, I am not sure what to conclude.
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| princem007 wrote: | | Magpietothemax wrote: | | AJ wrote: | Fox Footy just showed damning footage of the captain not putting in any effort. Called the called deplorable and are worried for the mid-long term future of the club.
Could be at the bottom for a decade. |
Yeah I just saw that too. Had to replay it a couple of times to believe. Pendles just harmlessly peels off rather than giving chase. Then another one of our players insipidly tries to corral an opposition player in our F50 standing 10 m away (it is called defence with social distancing). Then Thomas is shown watching StKilda defender Sinclair running for the ball, and only halfheartedly making chase to give the impression he was trying to catch him. Sinclair passes to Long who then gets it to King.
I think the point was, not to single out Pendles and JT, but to emphasize that if the captain isn't really trying, then it is across the team.
Don't think Brereton is right in concluding that this means we could be at the bottom for a decade. This is a mindset issue, and mindset issues are not necessarily long lived phenonema. If you can go from the 2018 effort and inspiration to this in 2 years, then you can surely reverse it in less than 10. It points out to me though that all the settings under Bux and his entourage (except 2018) have been radically wrong, and still are. |
Pendles is a legend of the club… anyone that questions his heart is a disgrace. Perhaps our greatest player of all time and has been playing with a fractured rib and who knows what over niggles. This is so wrong to single him out and a disgrace by Fox footy. |
Absolutely. Like Dal Santo has ever got a hard ball get!!!
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| Quote: | Why is our record with indigenous players so deplorable? That question still hasn't been answered. And you'd be the last one to accuse me of playing the race card mate. I mean the indigenous players have the game in their DNA.
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I know you're supporting indigenous footballers and calling for Collingwood to be more proactive in recruiting indigenous talent
but do you really want to go down the path of asserting racial difference? It usually doesn't end well. |
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| Monco Matt wrote: | Don't get sucked in by that late rally.
Saint's took the foot right off the gas, anyone could see that. They put their cue in the rack and any team can come back when that happens.
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And they also lost to Adelaide after being 6 goals up. So late comebacks against them don't mean much. |
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schuey07 
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| inxs88 wrote: | | princem007 wrote: | | Magpietothemax wrote: | | AJ wrote: | Fox Footy just showed damning footage of the captain not putting in any effort. Called the called deplorable and are worried for the mid-long term future of the club.
Could be at the bottom for a decade. |
Yeah I just saw that too. Had to replay it a couple of times to believe. Pendles just harmlessly peels off rather than giving chase. Then another one of our players insipidly tries to corral an opposition player in our F50 standing 10 m away (it is called defence with social distancing). Then Thomas is shown watching StKilda defender Sinclair running for the ball, and only halfheartedly making chase to give the impression he was trying to catch him. Sinclair passes to Long who then gets it to King.
I think the point was, not to single out Pendles and JT, but to emphasize that if the captain isn't really trying, then it is across the team.
Don't think Brereton is right in concluding that this means we could be at the bottom for a decade. This is a mindset issue, and mindset issues are not necessarily long lived phenonema. If you can go from the 2018 effort and inspiration to this in 2 years, then you can surely reverse it in less than 10. It points out to me though that all the settings under Bux and his entourage (except 2018) have been radically wrong, and still are. |
Pendles is a legend of the club… anyone that questions his heart is a disgrace. Perhaps our greatest player of all time and has been playing with a fractured rib and who knows what over niggles. This is so wrong to single him out and a disgrace by Fox footy. |
Absolutely. Like Dal Santo has ever got a hard ball get!!! |
He did, his own and I’ve got the photos to prove it. |
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Pies4shaw 
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| Great effort by the forwards today. We kicked 4 times as many goals against these guys as the reigning premiers could manage last week. I'm pumped. |
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Magpietothemax
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | Great effort by the forwards today. We kicked 4 times as many goals against these guys as the reigning premiers could manage last week. I'm pumped. |
Well , we play the reigning Premiers next week, so maybe we will kick 4 times as many goals as they do.
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BazBoy
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Right from the start Saints met every contest against us as they did with Tigers
They went for the balll brushing Daicos off the pill effortlessly then literally straight away hit Tay off his feet
Were we physically worried to go in and match them bump for bump. Tackle for tackle
Appeared not
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| BazBoy wrote: | Right from the start Saints met every contest against us as they did with Tigers
They went for the balll brushing Daicos off the pill effortlessly then literally straight away hit Tay off his feet
Were we physically worried to go in and match them bump for bump. Tackle for tackle
Appeared not |
Yeah, at the start they were brutal and just brushed us asise contemptuously. In fact, we should have been down by more than we were at half time, and therefore the lead at its maximum could well have been 73 rather than 49, very easily.
Their issue is that they can't sustain that level of intensity.
Our issue is that, for whatever reason, we don't have the drive to play at anywhere near that level of intensity.
It is like the game against Melbourne, the farewell game for Bux, was the GF for this team. Now, everything else is an anticlimax and means nothing.
Only in the last quarter, when we throw caution to the wind, do we actually try to move the ball quickly.
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The two back to back wins ( Crows and Dees).were effected with intense pressure with every contest which had opponents second thinking to win the pill. Method. Clear them out of the way. Result. Free passage to goal
It’s not like we can’t do it
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Dave The Man 
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Result was Very Flattering.
We where Disgraceful for 3 Qtrs
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Dave The Man
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| slangman wrote: | What rubbish!!!!!
Sack the freakin caretaker coach and allow the players to play.
This is absolute proof that the players are over coached by people who don’t have any desire or inclination to attack and win.
All coaches this week should just take the week off and leave it to the players. |
Hopefully all our Coaches get Sacked at season end
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