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Probably the only positive from the day was the VFL.
There were a few who stepped up in the VFL and I would hope a statement is made at the selection table this week.
You could argue that all of Brown, Sier, Wilson, Keane and Ginnivan have an opportunity to play in the seniors this week.
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| Jezza wrote: | | Piesnchess wrote: | | Positives, as i said earlier, we have not been flogged by any team, not for long time, even Cats, Tigers, Eagles, Dogs, Dees all been smashed, we havent, thats a big plus for me. |
So what? We're 4-11 and sitting third last on the ladder.
The Dogs and Demons haven't been "smashed" this season.
Melbourne's biggest loss of the season so far is 17 points against us on Queen's Birthday.
The Dogs' biggest loss of the season so far is 28 points against Melbourne.
Our biggest losses have been 30 point losses to GWS and Sydney. |
Yes, We're 4-11 and sitting third last on the ladder. We are adapting.
And you'd expect a side sitting thereabouts on the table to be an easy kill each week for the opposition; a percentage booster even. We aren't.
Sure we often play 3 shit quarters out of 4, and in way too many of those we are either goal-less, or score a solitary goal.
But we aren't getting belted each week; our position on the table tells us historically that we should be - but we aren't.
The final score each week may be deemed as flattering to us, as some have suggested, but we aren't getting kicked off the park, and that IS important.
The players that let us down each quarter - the kids in their first season?
Nope. Just the usual senior rinse-and-repeat ball slaughterers.
I'll take character building honourable competitive losses, over demoralising effortless thrashings, every time - particularly with a list this young.
And also competing against three putrid slags of umpires each week, who delight in stopping our run-ons dead in their tracks, failing to enforce protected areas for us when games are in the balance, and inventing imaginary front-on contact free kicks against blokes like Maynard.
Yes we have two years of pain ahead, but let us hope this is the worst of it.
F#ck the coaching staff off at seasons end, along with the dipshit board, and we can turn the ship around for 2022.
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| Pies2016 wrote: | Probably the only positive from the day was the VFL.
There were a few who stepped up in the VFL and I would hope a statement is made at the selection table this week.
You could argue that all of Brown, Sier, Wilson, Keane and Ginnivan have an opportunity to play in the seniors this week.
Even the coach could be a chance. |
hey P2016...i am guessing you left at three quarter time, and missed the last quarter comeback??
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| piedys wrote: | Yes, We're 4-11 and sitting third last on the ladder. We are adapting.
And you'd expect a side sitting thereabouts on the table to be an easy kill each week for the opposition; a percentage booster even. We aren't.
Sure we often play 3 shit quarters out of 4, and in way too many of those we are either goal-less, or score a solitary goal.
But we aren't getting belted each week; our position on the table tells us historically that we should be - but we aren't.
The final score each week may be deemed as flattering to us, as some have suggested, but we aren't getting kicked off the park, and that IS important.
The players that let us down each quarter - the kids in their first season?
Nope. Just the usual senior rinse-and-repeat ball slaughterers.
I'll take character building honourable competitive losses, over demoralising effortless thrashings, every time - particularly with a list this young.
And also competing against three putrid slags of umpires each week, who delight in stopping our run-ons dead in their tracks, failing to enforce protected areas for us when games are in the balance, and inventing imaginary front-on contact free kicks against blokes like Maynard.
Yes we have two years of pain ahead, but let us hope this is the worst of it.
F#ck the coaching staff off at seasons end, along with the dipshit board, and we can turn the ship around for 2022. |
Fair points, Dyso.
Good post.
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that was the most insipid performance by a Collingwood team that i have seen since the un-Shaw years.
Don't be fooled by the 6 goals at the end when st. Kilda stopped. we made the same mistake against Geelong. Thinking we played better than we did because the other team saved their legs for another day.
Bring on the rebuild.
A few more constructive thought.
1. That is the most effective Collum Brown and Sier have been all year. I think we've found his position (out of the team)
Sorry, had to get that in.
2. Poulter was off today. I did not like his game at all. The good thing though is the the kid doesn't shirk a contest. There was a lot of hesitancy in the game today from some of the more senior players.
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| Pies2016 wrote: | Probably the only positive from the day was the VFL.
There were a few who stepped up in the VFL and I would hope a statement is made at the selection table this week.
You could argue that all of Brown, Sier, Wilson, Keane and Ginnivan have an opportunity to play in the seniors this week.
Even the coach could be a chance. |
Keane and Ginniven deserve a chance, but all Sier and Collum Brown proved today is that they are very handy VFL level players. They dont deserve any more chances at AFL level!!
Lets get games into others.
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| JC Hartley wrote: | In one of the most uninspiring displays of football I've ever seen, Collingwood produced three deplorable quarters of footy, before a late rally of goals in the final term saw the Magpies fall 9 points short of St Kilda. At one stage, the Saints had a lead of 49 points during time on of the third quarter, with a margin of 43 points at the last change. Collingwood gave the Saints too much time and space in the first three quarters which gave them enough opportunities to apply scoreboard pressure and hold on when it truly counted, despite the fact that St Kilda went goalless in the final term themselves with just two behinds, and allowed the Woods to have 11 shots at goal for a return of 5 goals. Only the players can answer why they did not impact the contest in the first three quarters, before extracting their digits to almost pull off a Houdini escape to end all escapes. Alas, that did not occur, and a superior performance is required next weekend.
There were only three categories that Collingwood won from the game, and that was handballs by +14 (164 - 150), while intercept possessions were won by +1 (68 - 67). and Marks Inside 50 had a margin of +7 ( 15 - 8 ). St Kilda won all of the other statistical categories, such as disposals by +33 (410 - 377), kicks were won by +47 (260 - 213), while contested possessions had an advantage of +11 (143 - 132), with uncontested possessions won by +15 (256 - 241). Hit-outs had a margin of +1 ( 39 - 38 ), +7 for clearances (40 - 33), centre clearances were up by +5 ( 13 - 8 ), while stoppage clearances were won by +2 (27 - 25). Uncontested marks went the way of the Saints by +7 ( 95 - 88 ), Contested Marks had a differential of +6 (12 - 6), while tackles were up by +10 (70 - 60), with Tackles Inside 50 won by +8 (14 - 6), and Inside 50s were won by +6 ( 54 - 48 ).
Taylor Adams (34 disposals @ 65%, 336 metres gained, 17 contested possessions, 17 uncontested possessions, 6 intercept possessions, 15 kicks, 19 handballs, 6 tackles, 2 goal assists, 5 score involvements, 4 clearances, 2 centre clearances, 2 stoppage clearances & 6 Inside 50s) was Collingwood's key extractor from stoppages to release his teammates into space, but when Adams found time and space to hit targets, he could not produce quality ball use every time. Leading by example is Adams' strength, his skill execution is not always consistent.
Jordan De Goey (32 disposals @ 78%, 486 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 26 uncontested possessions, 17 kicks, 15 handballs, 9 marks, 3 Marks Inside 50, 2 tackles, 10 score involvements, 3 clearances, 3 stoppage clearances, 6 Inside 50s & 1 goal) produced reasonable numbers across the board, unfortunately there were two shots at goal during the second term that he would've loved to have had back. Given where the team ended up, those behinds came back to bite the Magpies.
Scott Pendlebury (28 disposals @ 86%, 328 metres gained, 12 contested possessions, 16 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 10 kicks, 18 handballs, 4 marks, 6 tackles, 1 goal assist, 4 score involvements, 8 clearances, 2 centre clearances, 6 stoppage clearances, 3 Inside 50s & 4 Rebound 50s) displayed composure with effective ball use to create more time for himself to open up passages for his teammates. The Saints made a conscious effort to reduce Pendlebury's attacking potency which did prove to be telling and decisive.
Jack Crisp (23 disposals @ 78%, 453 metres gained, 8 contested possessions, 15 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 17 kicks, 6 handballs, 4 marks, 7 tackles, 2 goal assists, 6 score involvements, 4 clearances, 3 stoppage clearances, 7 Inside 50s & 3 Rebound 50s) performed admirably in his midfield role. Crisp gave his forwards opportunities to impact the scoreboard with effective ball use from the midfield.
Brodie Grundy (19 disposals @ 68%, 181 metres gained, 10 contested possessions, 9 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 33 hit-outs, 8 kicks, 11 handballs, 2 marks, 5 tackles, 2 score involvements, 3 Inside 50s & 3 Rebound 50s) had a game that was big on quantity, but his influence on the contest did not match the effort he had produced.
Chris Mayne (26 disposals @ 81%, 371 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 23 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 15 kicks, 11 handballs, 8 marks, 5 tackles, 3 score involvements & 6 Rebound 50s) provided great stability behind the ball in defence on a trying day for the Pies, with well-judged marks, regular tackles, and maintained possession at a high level
once again to be amongst Collingwood's best players.
Isaac Quaynor (18 disposals @ 72%, 254 metres gained, 8 contested possessions, 10 uncontested possessions, 9 intercept possessions, 10 kicks, 8 handballs, 3 marks, 3 score involvements & 4 Rebound 50s) played with dare to take risks and regained possession regularly to start chains from defence.
John Noble (15 disposals @ 67%, 290 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 11 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 10 kicks, 5 handballs, 3 marks, 4 tackles, 4 score involvements & 5 Rebound 50s) won enough possessions to be influential, but could not break many lines to be truly beneficial and effective for his team to thrive successfully.
Jordan Roughead (14 disposals @ 71%, 272 metres gained, 2 contested possessions, 12 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 11 kicks, 3 handballs, 5 marks, 4 score involvements & 4 Rebound 50s) looked to kick as long as possible to a contest to give the team more time to defend, and managed to take some marks to prevent goals being conceded.
Jack Madgen (13 disposals @ 92%, 118 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 4 uncontested possessions, 11 intercept possessions, 5 kicks, 8 handballs, 4 marks, 4 score involvements & 2 Rebound 50s) defended really well, played within his limitations and vastly reduced his skill errors.
Josh Daicos (20 disposals @ 65%, 260 metres gained, 7 contested possessions, 13 uncontested possessions, 11 kicks, 9 handballs, 4 marks, 6 tackles, 3 score involvements, 2 clearances, 2 stoppage clearances, 2 Inside 50s, 3 Rebound 50s & 1 goal) showed ability to win the ball around the ground in his 50th game. However, he could not take all of his chances at goal
which was largely symbolic of the whole side.
Josh Thomas (17 disposals @ 82%, 293 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 14 uncontested possessions, 11 kicks, 6 handballs, 7 marks, 2 Marks Inside 50, 6 score involvements & 1 goal) was one of the few forwards who won a bit of the ball further up the ground, got involved in scoring chains, and like a number of his teammates, he also had his chances to kick accurately and wasted most of them.
Will Hoskin-Elliott (16 disposals @ 69%, 281 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 10 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 11 kicks, 5 handballs, 5 marks, 3 tackles, 3 score involvements, 3 clearances, 3 stoppage clearances, & 1 goal) worked hard for his possessions to take marks on the wing. Bobbed up late with a goal that kept the flame flickering until it got extinguished in the dying minutes.
Jamie Elliott (15 disposals @ 80%, 235 metres gained, 7 contested possessions, 8 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 9 kicks, 6 handballs, 3 marks, 7 score involvements, 5 Inside 50s & 1 goal) booted a great goal early in the first term, before finding life extremely challenging for the remainder of the game. Stayed busy in scoring chains further up the ground for his team to start scoring.
Trent Bianco (12 disposals @ 92%, 145 metres gained, 11 uncontested possessions, 6 kicks, 6 handballs, 7 marks, 4 tackles & 6 score involvements) worked his way through a tough day up forward with high score involvement numbers, plenty of marks and adequate tackling numbers.
Brody Mihocek (8 disposals @ 62%, 167 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 5 uncontested possessions, 6 kicks, 2 handballs, 6 marks, 2 Contested Marks, 4 Marks Inside 50, 1 goal assist, 6 score involvements & 2 goals) had an amazing quarter in the final term after he could not get near it in the first three quarters. Mihocek was synonymous of the team performance.
Mason Cox (8 disposals @ 88%, 114 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 3 uncontested possessions, 4 kicks, 4 handballs, 6 marks, 2 Contested Marks, 2 Marks Inside 50, 2 tackles, 2 Tackles Inside 50, 3 score involvements & 1 goal) bobbed up late like Mihocek to clunk a couple of marks up forward, and chimed in with a goal deep into time on of the last quarter. I would've preferred Cox to take a shot at goal instead of passing short to Mihocek. Cox was in a better position to score that goal and did not want responsibility to convert it. I fear that Cox is no longer the assured forward he previously was, and it will remain to be seen if list management staff have a place for him after this season which is diminishing by the week at present.
Collingwood's next game will be against Richmond at the MCG. Big opportunity next weekend to exploit a weakened Tigers outfit who have lost most of their best defenders in recent weeks. For that to occur though, the Magpies will need to play well for four quarters and not leave it until the 4th quarter to win the game. It drives me spare knowing that Collingwood waited until the last quarter of their last two matches to challenge for victories and failed each time. Do the work early, before finishing games off, Woods! Do that, and victories will occur over the coming weeks. |
JC, only 17 players critiqued. Do we assume that the other 5 players had even fewer touches than 8?
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| Jezza wrote: | | Piesnchess wrote: | | Positives, as i said earlier, we have not been flogged by any team, not for long time, even Cats, Tigers, Eagles, Dogs, Dees all been smashed, we havent, thats a big plus for me. |
So what? We're 4-11 and sitting third last on the ladder.
The Dogs and Demons haven't been "smashed" this season.
Melbourne's biggest loss of the season so far is 17 points against us on Queen's Birthday.
The Dogs' biggest loss of the season so far is 28 points against Melbourne.
Our biggest losses have been 30 point losses to GWS and Sydney.
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Gee, must be great being a glass half empty person i guess, but each to their own, nitpick away all you like, two one point losses to the rampaging Lions and Port too, did not help our cause. I for one try to look for positives into the future, being next season. 
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| piedys wrote: | | Jezza wrote: | | Piesnchess wrote: | | Positives, as i said earlier, we have not been flogged by any team, not for long time, even Cats, Tigers, Eagles, Dogs, Dees all been smashed, we havent, thats a big plus for me. |
So what? We're 4-11 and sitting third last on the ladder.
The Dogs and Demons haven't been "smashed" this season.
Melbourne's biggest loss of the season so far is 17 points against us on Queen's Birthday.
The Dogs' biggest loss of the season so far is 28 points against Melbourne.
Our biggest losses have been 30 point losses to GWS and Sydney. |
Yes, We're 4-11 and sitting third last on the ladder. We are adapting.
And you'd expect a side sitting thereabouts on the table to be an easy kill each week for the opposition; a percentage booster even. We aren't.
Sure we often play 3 shit quarters out of 4, and in way too many of those we are either goal-less, or score a solitary goal.
But we aren't getting belted each week; our position on the table tells us historically that we should be - but we aren't.
The final score each week may be deemed as flattering to us, as some have suggested, but we aren't getting kicked off the park, and that IS important.
The players that let us down each quarter - the kids in their first season?
Nope. Just the usual senior rinse-and-repeat ball slaughterers.
I'll take character building honourable competitive losses, over demoralising effortless thrashings, every time - particularly with a list this young.
And also competing against three putrid slags of umpires each week, who delight in stopping our run-ons dead in their tracks, failing to enforce protected areas for us when games are in the balance, and inventing imaginary front-on contact free kicks against blokes like Maynard.
Yes we have two years of pain ahead, but let us hope this is the worst of it.
F#ck the coaching staff off at seasons end, along with the dipshit board, and we can turn the ship around for 2022. |
Very well said, fully concur, some excellent points there, mate.  
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This season we have had 7x 0 goal quarters and 9x 1 goal quarters. Obviously there was overlap between those stats. Only 1 of these events happened during a win (1 goal final quarter against the Crows).
When we score 80 or more points, we're 3-1. Less than 80 points, we're 1-10. In the 11 games we lost, scoring 80 points (all other things being equal) would have won 7 of them.
So there's the challenge for Banger: Reduce the number of 0/1 goal quarters, which would lift our average score from 70 to 80+ like every team in the top 9
| E wrote: | | JC, only 17 players critiqued. Do we assume that the other 5 players had even fewer touches than 8? |
You could easily look that up yourself... the only Pies player who had less than 8 touches was McRae, who is excused since he came on late as the medisub
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| mudlark wrote: | | Miochec, don't care if thats the wrong spelling.2 touches till half way through the last qtr, kicks 2 in quick time then misses a sitter, the CRUCIAL one that would have near won us the game . Happens every week |
Rubbish. Mihocek has been our leading goalkicker for 3 seasons in a row. Consistently averaged 1.5 goals a game, which is fine for the role he should be playing: 3rd forward behind 2 KPFs (also doing better than Max King and Tim Membrey for e.g.)
In addition to JT who you rightly mentioned, JDG, Cameron and Daicos kicked 6 behinds between them
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| Rd10.1998_11.1#36 wrote: | This season we have had 7x 0 goal quarters and 9x 1 goal quarters. Obviously there was overlap between those stats. Only 1 of these events happened during a win (1 goal final quarter against the Crows).
When we score 80 or more points, we're 3-1. Less than 80 points, we're 1-10. In the 11 games we lost, scoring 80 points (all other things being equal) would have won 7 of them.
So there's the challenge for Banger: Reduce the number of 0/1 goal quarters, which would lift our average score from 70 to 80+ like every team in the top 9
| E wrote: | | JC, only 17 players critiqued. Do we assume that the other 5 players had even fewer touches than 8? |
You could easily look that up yourself... the only Pies player who had less than 8 touches was McRae, who is excused since he came on late as the medisub |
i come here for all of my informatino. Why do i need to look elsewhere.
So JC, why no critique of the other 5?
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| Rd10.1998_11.1#36 wrote: | | mudlark wrote: | | Miochec, don't care if thats the wrong spelling.2 touches till half way through the last qtr, kicks 2 in quick time then misses a sitter, the CRUCIAL one that would have near won us the game . Happens every week |
Rubbish. Mihocek has been our leading goalkicker for 3 seasons in a row. Consistently averaged 1.5 goals a game, which is fine for the role he should be playing: 3rd forward behind 2 KPFs (also doing better than Max King and Tim Membrey for e.g.)
In addition to JT who you rightly mentioned, JDG, Cameron and Daicos kicked 6 behinds between them |
i will say i am observing a worrying trend in Mihocek this season. He seems to be kicking a lot of goals after the game is decided. Yes he had a very serviceable last quarter, but he was completely outpointed for the entire portion of the game when it mattered. I feel like this isnt the first time this has happened.
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I thought Madge was one of the only ones who put a decent effort in. Murphy was virtually insightful in comparison.
Harvey is at least far more watchable at the presser. No bs, says it like it is. Far better than Bucks for supporters. And he mentioned selection will be based on integrity, ie who deserves to he dropped and who deserves to be promoted. I like this, it's been a long time since that happened, let's see if he comes through.
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