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MatthewBoydFanClub
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| 178cm, not 188cm. |
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Pies2016
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| I have heard via the Chargers that McInnes is in super knick and has done a power of extra work in the off season. Hard to believe he is still only 18 years old ( turns 19 in mid December ) I wouldn’t expect he would play seniors round one but the application is where it all starts and the rest flows on. |
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Thanks Laurie good OP
| LaurieHolden wrote: | | Mihocek... as a key forward he lacks the ability and mobility to turn a match off his own boot (can go to FB)... Madgen is not the answer [at CHB] nor fits the age profile for our next push |
Madgen and Mihocek are the same age and the same height... neither of them are KPPs. Don't understand why people think replacing one guy who is not a KPP with another who is also not a KPP is the answer
Surely we should be putting some KPPs beside them and let them play the 3rd roles at either end, or let them be depth if we have better options
Has Mihocek ever played a full AFL game in defence? I don't think so. I get that Roughy isn't going to be around forever but how (and why) is Mihocek going to replace his cms, kgs and experience at FB? A solution to a problem that doesn't exist just yet
Also your forward line is very young without Brody in it
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Pies2016
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Fair point about our F B going forward. The new generation KPFs are all around 200cm, so you need your KPDs to be similar. Roughead is 200cm and knows the angles much better than anyone else we currently have on our list.
There’s a couple 200cm prospects in the top 10 for next years draft but that’s long term. Any way you look at it, the Charlie Dean selection ( still “ only “ 195 but with improvement in him ) makes a lot of sense and it becomes an important one to have gained from.
Leppitsch is the man to take these young defenders to a new level. Richmond raved about him as the defensive strategist. Bit of a hot head but close to best in the business. |
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Rd10.1998_11.1#36
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MatthewBoydFanClub
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| Rd10.1998_11.1#36 wrote: | Thanks Laurie good OP
| LaurieHolden wrote: | | Mihocek... as a key forward he lacks the ability and mobility to turn a match off his own boot (can go to FB)... Madgen is not the answer [at CHB] nor fits the age profile for our next push |
Madgen and Mihocek are the same age and the same height... neither of them are KPPs. Don't understand why people think replacing one guy who is not a KPP with another who is also not a KPP is the answer
Surely we should be putting some KPPs beside them and let them play the 3rd roles at either end, or let them be depth if we have better options
Has Mihocek ever played a full AFL game in defence? I don't think so. I get that Roughy isn't going to be around forever but how (and why) is Mihocek going to replace his cms, kgs and experience at FB? A solution to a problem that doesn't exist just yet
Also your forward line is very young without Brody in it |
Not quite. Mihocek has always played as a KPP. He played at full back with Port Melbourne. Agree he's a little short for his size but some players play taller than their height. Mihocek is one of those. What I don't agree with is playing Mihocek down back again. He's past that point. His current life with Collingwood is as a forward. A separate question is can we continue playing a two pronged tall forward line with the second tall the resting ruckman. I don't think we can. A better solution is having the second ruckman (Cameron or Cox) spent more time rotating out of the middle of the ground so they don't spend as much time in attack. Play another genuine tall in the forward line - at least 195cm -200cm (Begg, Kreuger, Kelly or McMahon). Keep playing Mihocek where he currently plays. |
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LaurieHolden 
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| Rd10.1998_11.1#36 wrote: | Thanks Laurie good OP
| LaurieHolden wrote: | | Mihocek... as a key forward he lacks the ability and mobility to turn a match off his own boot (can go to FB)... Madgen is not the answer [at CHB] nor fits the age profile for our next push |
Madgen and Mihocek are the same age and the same height... neither of them are KPPs. Don't understand why people think replacing one guy who is not a KPP with another who is also not a KPP is the answer
Surely we should be putting some KPPs beside them and let them play the 3rd roles at either end, or let them be depth if we have better options
Has Mihocek ever played a full AFL game in defence? I don't think so. I get that Roughy isn't going to be around forever but how (and why) is Mihocek going to replace his cms, kgs and experience at FB? A solution to a problem that doesn't exist just yet
Also your forward line is very young without Brody in it |
This isn't necessarily about 2022, it's about 2023-2024. Roughy will be gone, thought being we'll get more continuity out of Mihocek. (Premiership defender with Port Melbourne, understandably that's not AFL), thought being he can play the May role.
Melbourne have a similar backline ~
B: 14.Hibberd (31,173,186cm/94kg), May (193cm/100kg), 8.Lever (25,117,195cm/89kg)
HB: 24.Rivers (20,34,188cm/88kg), 35.Petty (22,30,197cm/90kg), Salem (26,130,183cm/84kg)
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B: 3.Quaynor (22,35,180cm,84kg); 41.Mihocek (28,79,192cm,97kg); 25.Crisp (28,175,190cm,90kg)
HB: 37. Maynard (25,138,189cm,93kg); 30. Moore (26,102, 203cm,100kg);38. Howe (31,195,190cm,85kg)
Moore is there to play on the 200cm + KPF while Howe is there, and his leap remains, he can play a Level like role.
Roughead will get toweled up by these players before long, we need to be considering plan B.
Murphy might yet emerge as a Howe / Lever like option, but he's running out of time to consolidate both a spot in the seniors and a position on field.
Kelly, perhaps but looks like he's still viewed as a forward.
Ultimately, it reverts back to where I flagged we need those KPP players either from the draft or we trade one in, our KPP goal to goal line, particularly FB needs immediate attention ~
Full Back 2022 ~ Top 10 1st pick
CHF 2023 ~ Top 10 1st pick
Half-Back ~Trent Rivers Melbourne
Full Back ~Tom McCartin Swans
If we don't get this sorted by start of the 2023 season, we'll leak goals.
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| You take Leigh Brown. He transitioned from a tall backman to a tall forward and it actually extended his career by about three years. Putting them back to where they started actually could do the opposite - extinguish their career, not extend it. |
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| MatthewBoydFanClub wrote: | | You take Leigh Brown. He transitioned from a tall backman to a tall forward and it actually extended his career by about three years. Putting them back to where they started actually could do the opposite - extinguish their career, not extend it. |
Don't get me wrong, Mihocek he's been more than serviceable and would be another in my first picked each week.
Simply looking at Plan B if Rough goes down hill earlier than we expect and we're left with Madgen. Hopefully Rough will prove me wrong. I just don't want a mid-season panic if age catches him earlier than we planned.
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Charlie Dean ? |
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MatthewBoydFanClub
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| Pies2016 wrote: | ^ ^ ^
Charlie Dean ? |
That's what I was thinking. |
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| MatthewBoydFanClub wrote: | | Pies2016 wrote: | ^ ^ ^
Charlie Dean ? |
That's what I was thinking. |
The fact they picked a 20 year old VFL key defender with the first LIVE pick of the rookie draft, suggests they see the position as a need to bolster sooner than later. |
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stui magpie 
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| MatthewBoydFanClub wrote: | | You take Leigh Brown. He transitioned from a tall backman to a tall forward and it actually extended his career by about three years. Putting them back to where they started actually could do the opposite - extinguish their career, not extend it. |
IIRC brown started his career as a forward and got moved back as he was an underperformer.
With 2 young KPF's in Cloke and Dawes, Brown didn't need to be the main man, just a role player who took second ruck and he thrived and made a valuable contribution to a premiership.
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| RudeBoy wrote: | | Our continuing weakness is our lack of quality KPPs. Maybe Begg and Kelly will prove to be great players for us, but so far we are yet to see Begg and Kelly has had trouble remaining uninjured. We have a host of midfield options, but having to rely on the ageing Roughead and the adequate Cameron leaves us exposed for big man talent. |
Since rebuilding takes a few years I am guessing a true KPF is pencilled in for 2022 draft with our first round pick. It will be bottom six and next years is a good season for talls.
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Good OP, Laurie 
List breakdown by age groups.
18-22
- Harvey Harrison (18] = 10/11/2003
- Cooper Murley (19) = 20/06/2003
- Arlo Draper (19) = 30/01/2003
- Nick Daicos (19) = 3/01/2003
- Reef McInnes (19) = 12/12/2002
- Caleb Poulter (19) = 10/12/2002
- Liam McMahon (19) = 10/12/2002
- Jack Ginnivan (19) = 9/12/2002
- Aiden Begg (19) = 8/10/2002
- Oliver Henry (20) = 29/07/2002
- Isaac Chugg (20) = 26/02/2002
- Finlay Macrae (20) = 13/02/2002
- Trey Ruscoe (20) = 3/11/2001
- Charlie Dean (21) = 19/06/2001
- Beau McCreery (21) = 19/04/2001
- Trent Bianco (21) = 20/01/2001
- Will Kelly (22) = 16/08/2000
- Mark Keane (22) = 17/03/2000
- Isaac Quaynor (22) = 15/01/2000
- Nathan Murphy (22) = 15/12/1999
- Tyler Brown (22) = 9/12/1999
23-27
- Nathan Kreuger (23) = 25/06/1999
- Josh Daicos (23) = 26/11/1998
- Patrick Lipinski (24) = 17/07/1998
- Callum Brown (24) = 27/04/1998
- Ash Johnson (24) = 6/10/1997
- Tom Wilson (25) = 24/06/1997
- John Noble (25) = 25/03/1997
- Brayden Maynard (26) = 20/09/1996
- Jordan De Goey (26) = 15/03/1996
- Darcy Moore (26) = 25/01/1996
- Darcy Cameron (27) = 18/07/1995
28-29
- Brodie Grundy (28] = 15/04/1994
- Jack Crisp (28] = 2/10/1993
- Taylor Adams (29) = 20/09/1993
- Will Hoskin-Elliott (29) = 2/09/1993
- Jack Madgen (29) = 25/04/1993
- Brody Mihocek (29) = 4/02/1993
30+
- Jamie Elliott (30) = 21/08/1992
- Mason Cox (31) = 14/03/1991
- Steele Sidebottom (31) = 2/01/1991
- Jordan Roughead (31) = 3/11/1990
- Jeremy Howe (32) = 29/06/1990
- Scott Pendlebury (34) = 7/01/1988
The age of the players is their age on the day of the 2022 Grand Final, assuming it's held on the last Saturday in September.
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