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pietillidie
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I agree with Krugman on this from what I've been reading, and especially in the light of the cringeworthy fundamentalist idiocy that comes from Putin's mouth. As we've discussed here before, nothing threatens authoritarian whackos the world over more than positive returns to liberality. It undermines their arguments, psychiatry, methods, purpose and very being.
| Quote: | | I don’t think it’s silly or anachronistic to say that the things that made Odessa special, that should have made it one of the world’s great metropolises, were precisely the things that ethnonationalists, then and now, hate: ethnic and religious diversity, intellectual curiosity, openness to the world. On the eve of the Russian invasion, it looked as if Ukraine was finally managing to recover some of those things — which is, in turn, surely part of the reason Vladimir Putin decided it had to be conquered. |
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/22/opinion/ukraine-russia-odessa.html
The only good to come out of this is that Putin has finally been exposed as a garden-variety fundamentalist nutter.
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Has anyone noticed that the same people who said Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian disinformation are the people telling us what is going on in the Ukraine?
How can we believe anything they say? |
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David 
to wish impossible things
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The right-wing newspaper that broke the Hunter Biden laptop story, The New York Post, is also pushing a strongly anti-Putin editorial line: https://nypost.com/tag/ukraine/
Meanwhile, the left-wing Jacobin magazine, which ran articles criticising the suppression of the Hunter Biden story (see: https://jacobinmag.com/2020/10/facebook-twitter-hunter-biden-censorship-big-tech), has also condemned the invasion.
I suppose that isn't very convenient for whatever point it is you're trying to make. The fact is that there's a wide range of English-language and international coverage of this war that neither fits your "same people" straw-man nor offers support to your one-sided portrayal of the conflict. So the question is, whose reporting are you trusting on this, and what corn flakes packet did they get their journalism credentials from?
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pietillidie
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^If a tree falls in a forest in Europe and an Australian watching American cable doesn't hear it....
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David
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Speaking of American cable, am I the only one who suspects that Tucker Carlson may be screening on loop at AJ's house? Interesting to see what talking points crop up …
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David
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Back on planet Earth, we're going to be hosting a Ukrainian refugee on a temporary protection visa at our home for at least the next month. For anyone with space, I'd encourage seeing if you can do the same – there are a lot of people and families out there who need help right now and have no home left to return to. There's not much we can do when we're so far away, but it's something.
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good on you. hmm. let me know how it goes!!
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pietillidie
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| David wrote: | | Speaking of American cable, am I the only one who suspects that Tucker Carlson may be screening on loop at AJ's house? Interesting to see what talking points crop up … |
Perhaps AJ is Fox News? |
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pietillidie
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Nutter wantonly killing people, wrecking things and creating millions of refugees goes on bizarre rant about the real problem, Western cancel culture.
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| David wrote: | | Serbians probably felt relieved when Russia came to their defence in 1914, too. The rest of the world, in hindsight, had good reason to wish they hadn’t – and many more Serbians died as a result of the war than otherwise would have under Austrian invasion. It’s not a genie you want to let out of the bottle. |
Serbs would still be happy the Russians came to their aid, regardless of the added loss of lives.
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Pies4shaw
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| ^ Well, not the dead ones. |
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stui magpie 
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| pietillidie wrote: | | Nutter wantonly killing people, wrecking things and creating millions of refugees goes on bizarre rant about the real problem, Western cancel culture. |
JK Rowling's response on Twiiter was perfect.
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roar
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| Pies4shaw wrote: | | ^ Well, not the dead ones. |
Most of them, too.
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pietillidie
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I thought this was a good piece. Not an easy process, which is why transition traditionally follows a country being levelled by defeat. We need Russia to somehow transition without carnage:
| Quote: | This is the drama of my homeland: a small number of my compatriots are ready for life in a democratic society, but the overwhelming majority still bow before power and accept this patrimonial way of life.
If, over the course of generations, everyone who thinks for themselves is wiped out, the only qualities that will prevail will be silence and satisfaction with the authorities. But can you blame these people if that was their only survival strategy? Where do those who don’t remain silent end up today? They go to jail. Or they need to emigrate before it’s too late. |
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/28/nato-ukraine-vladimir-putin-russia-democratic-national-guilt
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