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pietillidie
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David 
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Must be playing on his conscience (although the way he laughed it off afterwards might suggest otherwise).
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stui magpie 
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pietillidie
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I was wondering when this might start. A bit like Iraq, when the fantasies of easy wins and people rolling out the red carpet don't materialise...
| Quote: | ZAPORIZHZHIA, Ukraine — They sneak down darkened alleys to set explosives. They identify Russian targets for Ukrainian artillery and long-range rockets provided by the United States. They blow up rail lines and assassinate Ukrainian officials they consider collaborators with the Russians.
Slipping back and forth across the front lines, the guerrilla fighters are known in Ukraine as partisans, and in recent weeks they have taken an ever more prominent role in the war, rattling Russian forces by helping deliver humiliating blows in areas they occupy and thought to be safe.
Increasingly, Ukraine is taking the fight against Russian forces into Russian-controlled areas, whether by using elite military units, like the one credited on Tuesday with a huge explosion at a Russian ammunition depot in the occupied Crimean Peninsula, or by deploying an underground network of the partisan guerrillas.
Last week, Ukrainian officials said, the partisans had a hand in a successful strike on a Russian air base, also in Crimea, which Moscow annexed eight years ago. It destroyed eight fighter jets. |
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/17/world/europe/ukraine-partisans-insurgency-russia.html
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stui magpie
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Nice bump. It's so discouraging that this is still going on, Russia and Putin should have been stopped by now, but it continues and the Ukraine gets hammered.
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Jezza 
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Sadly this is escalating.
| Quote: | Russian President Vladimir Putin announces a partial military mobilisation for Ukraine
President Vladimir Putin has ordered Russia's first military mobilisation since World War II, warning the West that if it continued what he called its "nuclear blackmail" that Moscow would respond with the might of all its vast arsenal.
In a televised address, Mr Putin said his aim was to "liberate" east Ukraine's Donbas region, and that most people in the region did not want to return to what he called the "yoke" of Ukraine.
He said he was defending Russian territories and that the West wanted to destroy the country. |
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-21/vladimir-putin-announces-partial-military-mobilisation/101463346
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Big mistake, huge, he’s killing his own people for nothing. What a turd. 1 bullet needed. Just one.
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stui magpie
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2 just to be sure
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Yep, have to keep holding the line on this, regardless of the threats, meanwhile hoping insiders do him in or he backs away with a television 'victory'.
What a despicable piece of destructive, murderous filth the SOB is. The risk of someone going rogue with nuclear weapons was always there, so encouraging thugs to bully others with them by caving in to his whim won't make anyone safer.
The creep banked on breaking down opposition consensus and support for Ukraine with his greatest weapon, internet troll farms, so the most potent thing about the response has been the ability of the West to keep our internet crazies under control, which in turn has cornered the bastard.
This is also one of the very few just defensive wars fought by the West in my lifetime. As I keep emphasising to Americans, fighting a just war properly is the only way to start moving on from the disgrace of Iraq and the unjust wars of history. The rest of the Coalition of the Willing, too.
The response has been measured, ratcheted up slowly to give the aggressor time to save face, and led by Ukraine at the behest of them as victims of the invader. And that is the very definition of just war.
The risks are still real enough, so now to find a way for him to take that bullet or bow out with an imaginary victory.
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David
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I think this signifies that Putin’s authority is under threat, but that’s not necessarily good news for Ukraine. I get the feeling he’s being told to end the stalemate as quickly as possible by either withdrawing or doubling down, and clearly he doesn’t see the former as an option. So there may be some very dark days ahead.
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More on the potential effects of the war's failure on Putin's presidency from Anatol Lieven, whose writing on this conflict is worth following closely:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/27/putin-regime-fall-ukraine-west-negotiate
| Quote: | As we are already seeing, unrest in Russian society is bound to grow. This discontent is compounded by a mixture – often present at the same time in the minds of Russians – of opposition to the war itself and fury at the incompetence of its conduct by Putin and his entourage.
If this continues, then a coup against Putin will become a real possibility. This would not necessarily be violent, and might indeed not appear publicly at all. Instead, a delegation of establishment figures would go to Putin and tell him that, to preserve the regime itself, it is necessary for him (and a few other top figures implicated in military failure, such as the defence minister, Sergei Shoigu) to step down, in return for guarantees of immunity from prosecution and security of property. Something not unlike this happened when Yeltsin handed over power to Putin in 1999.
Members of the Russian establishment who took such a step would be running grave risks: for themselves personally if the move failed, but also for the Russian establishment and Russia itself, if a change of leadership led to a split in the elite, political chaos and a radical weakening of the central state.
They would therefore most probably need some assurance that if Putin could be removed, the west would be prepared to offer his successor a deal that would allow the new government to claim some measure of Russian success. Otherwise, ruling over a weakened state and military, and faced with what Russians would view as western demands for unconditional surrender, the new government would assume the catastrophic burden of Weimar German democracy after the first world war, permanently branded as the regime of surrender and national humiliation.
Looking at this prospect, a successor to Putin would very likely blame him personally for everything that has gone wrong in Ukraine, while answering growing calls by Russian hardliners to declare complete national mobilisation and greatly intensify the war. This could spread the war beyond Ukraine’s borders. If we wish to avoid this prospect, there is still time for the west to take up Putin’s implicit offer of talks; but not much time. |
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^That all sounds about right. Hopefully no one puts their foot in it (though I don't buy excluding chaos merchant Putin himself from doing that by focusing on either side of the Atlantic).
The amount of destruction at the hands of one person is obscene; to Ukraine, to itself and to the global economy. (Iraq, never to be forgotten, was still worse again, which goes to show how much willful damage has been caused over the last couple of decades).
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Jezza
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Russia declares the formal annexations of four areas in Ukraine.
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[*] President Putin has announced the illegal seizure of four areas of Ukraine - saying they are now Russian territory.
[*] In an angry speech decrying the West, he claimed people living in the regions had made their choice - but "referendums" held there have been labelled shams.
[*] The territory being seized is in Russian-held Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions.
[*] The formal process to incorporate them into the Russian Federation will happen over the next few days.
[*] It echoes Russia's annexation of Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula in 2014, which also followed a discredited referendum.
[*] Earlier, many civilians were reported killed and wounded in a Russian strike on a civilian convoy in Zaporizhzhia.
[*] A huge crater next to a row of vehicles in the city testified to the violence of the attack |
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-63077272
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I must say I loved his use of the word 'Satanism', just to remind everyone what a nutter he is in case they hadn't received the message yet. And, just to round out his kinship with backward religious crazies worldwide, he then went on another rant about gender, which like the far right everywhere, seems to occupy his every other waking moment.
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stui magpie
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I saw some of his speech on the news. Geezus, the cheese has done slid right off his cracker.
If someone doesn't take him out, he could really launch nukes.
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