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Noble is our best defender at the minute. he is a beauty!!
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LaurieHolden 
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Our number 1 ruck-man is out injured, impacting our 1st use of the ball. Witts had a clear advantage.
Last week, Grundy hobbled to the end, gutsy effort to stay on.
Our regular Full Back and back-up full back are out injured.
Howe has returned from a lengthy injury, but can't do it all against the big bodied forwards. Casboult was always going to prove a handful. (why I was surprised our backline did so well against St Kildas' Membrey and King)
Moore has been covering two roles. Playing on the talls and playing his intercept game.
Madgen isn't the most polished performer out there, but we could do a lot worse than bottle his endeavour. He shouldn't be made the scapegoat for our defensive woes.
The new style of footy we're playing does open up holes in defence. It can come back in quickly via turnover when we have players taking the game on and running the line, particularly against the talls and we're playing a man short as the rebounder is likely stranded up the ground.
Looked like we had the opportunity for a 10 goal win at half time before the kicking yips kept them in the match. We just lack some real finishing class.
New backline coach, new head coach. Give it time.
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Pies2016
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Unfortunately, the game has moved on from one on one defence ( for most ) because it was so easily exploited by having the forwards move in six different directions and the mids being instructed to kick to the one on one match up that best suits their forwards. There was also a period where teams could start with an extra in defence and block the corridor leading lane but the 6 6 6 start has made that more difficult to execute. Guarding space is at least the reason why we see so many defenders able to add support as a second or third up in a marking contest. So whether we like it or not, we live in a world where guarding space is the flavour of the month. It’s overall success relies heavily on a ) your defence executing it properly and b ) pressure from the midfield. When it breaks down, it looks horrible, as we all know.
F W I W, what the Pies coaching panel have done really well, is to rotate big numbers through the midfield. I went to the Suns game and it’s head spinning to see our collection of mids rotate between the centre square, the bench and deepest forward. Adams, Lipinski, DeGoey ( of course) and N Daicos all started as deepest forward at various times. It keeps the mids fresh and able to go full tilt for longer when they have a genuine mid fielders role to play. Those resting players don’t stay in the goal square for long, as they aim to suck a genuine defender into the contest up the ground and leave some open space behind them at the same time. It’s a good ploy against a dumb defender.
We don’t have an imposing mid field but when you add the likes of Lipinski, N Daicos and Elliot, it now runs very deep.
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| Pies2016 wrote: | Unfortunately, the game has moved on from one on one defence ( for most ) because it was so easily exploited by having the forwards move in six different directions and the mids being instructed to kick to the one on one match up that best suits their forwards. There was also a period where teams could start with an extra in defence and block the corridor leading lane but the 6 6 6 start has made that more difficult to execute. Guarding space is at least the reason why we see so many defenders able to add support as a second or third up in a marking contest. So whether we like it or not, we live in a world where guarding space is the flavour of the month. It’s overall success relies heavily on a ) your defence executing it properly and b ) pressure from the midfield. When it breaks down, it looks horrible, as we all know.
F W I W, what the Pies coaching panel have done really well, is to rotate big numbers through the midfield. I went to the Suns game and it’s head spinning to see our collection of mids rotate between the centre square, the bench and deepest forward. Adams, Lipinski, DeGoey ( of course) and N Daicos all started as deepest forward at various times. It keeps the mids fresh and able to go full tilt for longer when they have a genuine mid fielders role to play. Those resting players don’t stay in the goal square for long, as they aim to suck a genuine defender into the contest up the ground and leave some open space behind them at the same time. It’s a good ploy against a dumb defender.
We don’t have an imposing mid field but when you add the likes of Lipinski, N Daicos and Elliot, it now runs very deep. |
We don't have an imposing anything any more and that goes for backs, forwards as well as midfielders. What we have is a well drilled 22 who pump the ball forward. It's high risk, high reward football. Until we can settle the team down and play our preferred 22 instead of the make shift team we are currently playing, don't expect us to be blowing opposition teams away. A 4 goal win against the Gold Coast Suns is a good result. You only have to kick more goals than the opposition. If it's 10 goals to 6 goals or 17 goals to 13 goals a win is a win is a win. I wouldn't blame the backs for the 15 goals that the Suns kicked against us. We don't have our preferred backline yet. Sides are going to do that to us. We only need to kick more goals than the opposition. It's the backs and the forwards contributing together and our mids keeping the ball out of the hands of the opposition players that will score the wins.
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Big T
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We will struggle v Lynch and Reiwoldt. Great challenge for the boys.
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I don’t care if we guard space , but guard the space where the effing key forwards are , not leave empty space for them to take marks at will.
Footy has changed in 100 years , but the basic concept of beating your man and if enough collectively in the team do that you will win.
Your not gonna beat your man giving him a paddock to run into.
I think the key forwards should be manned up and the rest of space can be guarded by the half backs, pockets , mids and wingers if they can get back in time, depending how easy it’s coming through the middle.
Give lynch and Riewoldt space and it’s a recipe for disaster.
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Pies2016
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The new breed of key forwards are all 200cm. The chances of a shorter defender winning the contest one out without infringing, is pretty slim.
The idea of guarding space CORRECTLY is that it increases the likelihood of another defender coming across and helping out in the contest.
I wouldn’t be overly worried, its just something the coaches see as the way forward and learning it will take time. There werent too many who thought we would be averaging over 90 points a game in 2022 either but we have certainly improved forward of centre very quickly.
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Big Dan
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The current game style is going to lead being punished badly on a turnover. Same style see's the team posting nearly 100 points each week.
I'll take high risk - high reward game style any day.
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Pies2016
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| Interesting to read the Bombers are blaming some of their on field problems on understanding the rolling defence strategies. You don’t learn this stuff overnight, so I guess if you know there’s learning to be done in the back half, you need to still be scoring at the same time or your season can be over very quickly
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We have good backs, but they will no doubt be thrown for a while by the new attacking system, and will take time to adjust. They played a very different type of footy for years prior to this season.
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LaurieHolden
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| Pies2016 wrote: | The new breed of key forwards are all 200cm. The chances of a shorter defender winning the contest one out without infringing, is pretty slim.
The idea of guarding space CORRECTLY is that it increases the likelihood of another defender coming across and helping out in the contest.
I wouldn’t be overly worried, its just something the coaches see as the way forward and learning it will take time. There weren't too many who thought we would be averaging over 90 points a game in 2022 either but we have certainly improved forward of centre very quickly. |
Lachlan Keeffe delisting might have been premature...a knee injury followed by the 2 year ban with Josh Thomas certainly didn't help. Those two outs are a bigger story than most give weight.
Had we kept him, a 204cm 101kg Keeffe might just have played in the 2018 GF to replace an injured Moore.
What a tale of redemption that might have been for the annuls.
Instead GWS picked him up as a de-listed free agent, yep, nada. Bucks never did like big men that didn't play as big men (refer to the 2014 Witts files...), and with a lack of consistent output, soon had Keeffe on the outer.
Enter Jordan Roughead in 2019 but it was all a year too late.
Thomas coming back in 2018 gave us an invaluable rotation option through the middle and earned him a Top10 Copeland. He might have finished higher, but such was the depth of output from our key players that season. There wasn't a more reliable kick for goal on our list that year.
Having him back allowed Treloar to play the outside carry game he's best suited for. Instead, we opted to play Treloar out of position, and ultimately out of the Club.
Wind forward to 2022, Keeffe would have offered us a handy option in Defence or Ruck.
Ain't hindsight a wonderful thing...
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Quincy
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| Looks like Madge is out so Leppa gets his first victim. Which back will be dropped next under his watch?
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burnsy17 
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About bloody time too!!
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piedys 
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Hey I know - let's drop Madgen; that will fix everything...
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Quincy
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| piedys wrote: | | Hey I know - let's drop Madgen; that will fix everything... |
Yes we discovered today that Moore is a worse defender than Magden.
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