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stui magpie 
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Joined: 03 May 2005
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It's up to Cox to put in a body of work in the VFL that puts him right in the frame to replace Cameron or Begg. He needs to be ready and banging on the door.
My view is Cameron is more vulnerable than Begg. Begg will keep going until his young body needs a rest, if Cameron doesn't deliver he could find himself in the VFL and Cox first ruck.
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Piesnchess
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| Lazza wrote: | | Piesnchess wrote: | | My last comment on this unfortunate loss comes from two one eyed Tiger fans, mates of mine., whom both told me they were relieved we did not play Mason Cox, and were very surprised we did not. I will just leave that there. |
FWIW piesnchess, I think the club made a selection error in not picking Cox against the tigers. His height in the forward line was sorely missed by the crumbers. I don’t think we will see him in the seniors again unless he kicks 6 or more in the seconds. He is on his very last chance in my book. |
True mate, tho i think he did boot six goals in the VFL two wks ago, when we won by one hundred points, pretty sure he did. 
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Pies4shaw 
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^ No, that was Henry - he actually kicked 7.3 from 15 kicks, 2 handballs and 10 marks - and was given a spot in the seniors immediately. Cox kicked 3 goals and had 21 disposals and 25 hitouts. Cox's stats look quite impressive - until you watch the game and see how hopeless the opposition was.
Replays of all the VFL matches are available to watch for free - that one is here: https://www.afl.com.au/video/751580/vfl-match-replay-r6-coburg-v-collingwood?videoId=751580&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1651287600001
The AFL also sets out the stats for all of the VFL games on dedicated match pages, in similar form to that used for the AFL. The stats for that game are here: https://www.afl.com.au/vfl/matches/4207#player-stats
It's also important to appreciate that there are now 21 teams in the VFL competition, so there are plenty of poor ones. Coburg are 20th, having won just won game. Bianco kicked 5 goals against Essendon, who are 21st - and we know how that turned out when he was given a senior game against Richmond.
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Pies2016
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Yes, there are two types of B O G in the V F L these days.
Those against the top V F L teams and those against the cellar dwellers.
Having said that, you can’t do much more than be close to the best player on the ground in any game you play. It’s just that the gulf between the bottom end of the VFL and AFL has never been greater. |
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PyreneesPie 
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How fantastic to see Noble recognized as Player of the Week.
Another 'different" type of footy journey (like Checkers), but has certainly had his share of challenges, supporter criticism and doubters. His skills have improved so much since the early days. |
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Pies4shaw
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| I've been trying to work out whether it means anything to be "player of the week" - he didn't get a coach's vote (Crisp and Lipinski were the two who did), so it doesn't reflect a view that he was our "best". So, what is it for? |
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Pies2016
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Participation award ?? |
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| stui magpie wrote: | It's up to Cox to put in a body of work in the VFL that puts him right in the frame to replace Cameron or Begg. He needs to be ready and banging on the door.
My view is Cameron is more vulnerable than Begg. Begg will keep going until his young body needs a rest, if Cameron doesn't deliver he could find himself in the VFL and Cox first ruck. |
its funny the latitude given to young guys ecause our expectations are so low. I think he was able to get his hands on two of the 30 odd ruck contests he visited. and the tigers were something like 10-0 in clearances in the first half.
That is as close to not being there as you can get.
And before you say, he is handy around the grounds, so would an extra midfielder. But we'd lose our second ruck you say. we refer to prior paragraph. I'd back Tyler Brown to win two of 30 ruck contests against the hacks that the Tigers have for rucks.
God we miss Grundy. its so palpable. A durable ruckman (something Grundy has been for most of his career) who can ruck 90 per cent of the game and who breaks at least even every week and is the better ruckman most weeks really is valuable. I might pay $900k per year to such a player..... wait? what?
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| PyreneesPie wrote: | How fantastic to see Noble recognized as Player of the Week.
Another 'different" type of footy journey (like Checkers), but has certainly had his share of challenges, supporter criticism and doubters. His skills have improved so much since the early days. |
i think it goes to the player who is mentioned on Nicks the most in a given week.....
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Lazza
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Location: Bendigo, Victoria, Australia
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| E wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | It's up to Cox to put in a body of work in the VFL that puts him right in the frame to replace Cameron or Begg. He needs to be ready and banging on the door.
My view is Cameron is more vulnerable than Begg. Begg will keep going until his young body needs a rest, if Cameron doesn't deliver he could find himself in the VFL and Cox first ruck. |
its funny the latitude given to young guys ecause our expectations are so low. I think he was able to get his hands on two of the 30 odd ruck contests he visited. and the tigers were something like 10-0 in clearances in the first half.
That is as close to not being there as you can get.
And before you say, he is handy around the grounds, so would an extra midfielder. But we'd lose our second ruck you say. we refer to prior paragraph. I'd back Tyler Brown to win two of 30 ruck contests against the hacks that the Tigers have for rucks.
God we miss Grundy. its so palpable. A durable ruckman (something Grundy has been for most of his career) who can ruck 90 per cent of the game and who breaks at least even every week and is the better ruckman most weeks really is valuable. I might pay $900k per year to such a player..... wait? what? |
Oh I don’t know really 😕 a former coach said that only a cardboard cutout of a ruckman could be used as long as our midfielders sharked the ball frequently. This is still a problem that is a work in progress. A really fabulous midfield could hypothetically win the centre clearances despite losing in the ruck. We are not doing this at the moment so without a winning ruckman, we are toast. Therefore I would love to persevere with Begg and let Grundy go at the end of the season and regain some desperately needed cap space. To me that is a win - win situation and in the long run benefit Collingwood in a healthy way. We don’t need to continue to pay overs for a ruckman.
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| Lazza wrote: | | E wrote: | | stui magpie wrote: | It's up to Cox to put in a body of work in the VFL that puts him right in the frame to replace Cameron or Begg. He needs to be ready and banging on the door.
My view is Cameron is more vulnerable than Begg. Begg will keep going until his young body needs a rest, if Cameron doesn't deliver he could find himself in the VFL and Cox first ruck. |
its funny the latitude given to young guys ecause our expectations are so low. I think he was able to get his hands on two of the 30 odd ruck contests he visited. and the tigers were something like 10-0 in clearances in the first half.
That is as close to not being there as you can get.
And before you say, he is handy around the grounds, so would an extra midfielder. But we'd lose our second ruck you say. we refer to prior paragraph. I'd back Tyler Brown to win two of 30 ruck contests against the hacks that the Tigers have for rucks.
God we miss Grundy. its so palpable. A durable ruckman (something Grundy has been for most of his career) who can ruck 90 per cent of the game and who breaks at least even every week and is the better ruckman most weeks really is valuable. I might pay $900k per year to such a player..... wait? what? |
Oh I don’t know really 😕 a former coach said that only a cardboard cutout of a ruckman could be used as long as our midfielders sharked the ball frequently. This is still a problem that is a work in progress. A really fabulous midfield could hypothetically win the centre clearances despite losing in the ruck. We are not doing this at the moment so without a winning ruckman, we are toast. Therefore I would love to persevere with Begg and let Grundy go at the end of the season and regain some desperately needed cap space. To me that is a win - win situation and in the long run benefit Collingwood in a healthy way. We don’t need to continue to pay overs for a ruckman. |
You really think we still have a cap space issue? I suspect that our issue is not cap space at the minute. Instead, its quality players. Beyond Grundy, DeGoey and Moore, we dont really have any legit stars on our team. Melbourne has 4 just in their center square.
We must be watching a different game. you and me.
I watched the first 6 games of the season and noted that when we looked really good, it was generally from our centre square dominance. Grundy, DeGoey and Adams, when they were all three fit and available looked unstoppable at times. We tend to do pretty well around the ground at throw ups and ball ins too.
Last two weeks, teams are just waltzing the ball from stopages with the greatest of ease.
Yes, a great ruckman doesnt assure first use of the ball, and a great midfield can work off a neutralized ruck constest.
But when the ball is hit to dominant advantage as has been the case the past two weeks, no midfield can compete...... fortunately, our half backline of Noble, IQ and Daicos have been there to repel forward thrusts by the opposing midfield or we would have lost games by 15 goals.
I think Begg shows promise. His around the ground skills and involvement are promising. His not strong enough to ruck and i wouldn't let him get smashed by men like Soldo and Nankervis too many more times this year.
I think i'd rather rest easy knowing that
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