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RudeBoy
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Maybe we should consider dropping JDG from the side, as he was one who lay on his back after the siren. Surely we don't want any "losers" in our team.  |
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nomadjack
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doriswilgus
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I might be one eyed,but I really think we were the better team for most of the game yesterday and were unlucky to lose.
Three things probably cost us the game.Our poor kicking in front of goal,which cost us a few goals at least.Cameron’s brilliance.Every time we looked like running away with it,he kept them in it with some freakish goals and setting up goals for others.
And finally the umpires.There we’re at least three poor decisions from the umpires that cruelled our chances of winning..The in the back free to Ginnivan which wasn’t paid.The goal they got from Pendlebury for deliberate out of bounds,which came from a passage of play where the ball was clearly over the line and should have been recalled.And the one where Pendlebury was given a free kick.He handballed to Ginnivan who kicked it to Johnson in the goal square.Play was continuous in that passage,and yet the umpire recalled the ball,something the umpires rarely do these days.
So three goals were robbed from us or given to Geelong by umpire errors.Given that we lost the game by a goal,it was more than enough to sway the game Geelong’s way.I know people always say there were bad decisions that go both ways,but I can’t remember us getting a single goal from an umpiring mistake. |
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Presti35 
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| Damien wrote: | | And to the flogs on here who are.... |
Bit strong dont you think Damien?
I didnt like much of the umpiring yesterday, am I a flog?
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Presti35
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Last night I was a bit livid.
Today, I dont feel too bad. We put in a great fight and we'll be back next week against the Dockers.
If we can manage a win over Freo, we're into a Prelim. What an unreal effort.
I really hope someone knocks Geelong out though.
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bally12 
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| RudeBoy wrote: | | Maybe we should consider dropping JDG from the side, as he was one who lay on his back after the siren. Surely we don't want any "losers" in our team. |
Rudy, that comment by Fly has more significance and a deeper meaning than you realise. You shouldn't be taking it on face value, and certainly not imdidualise it to specific players. The criticism was not a personal attack on the players.
Fly has delved deep into the history of our club, its psyche, its amazing successes, but also its storied failures at the last hurdle. You can see this with his emphasis put to the players to honour the jumper and the importance for everyone at the club to embrace and respect its history. We were once not just the most famous club but a mighty club of the people that defied the odds and won premiership after premiership. And very much to the chagrin and dismay of our well-to-do rivals.
Somehow in the last 60 years, events, circumstances, sheer bad luck, and undoubtedly mis-management conspired to make us known as the club that loses grand finals. The Collingwobbles were born and became a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Fly recognises this, and his mission is not only to create a great team but drive cultural and behavioural changes at the club that lead to sustained success, and that will restore the club to its past glory.
How many times have you heard from Pies supporters that we need to be more like Hawthorn in the way they demand and achieve success. Well this is what Fly is going to implement, but in Collingwood's unique way. His reference to the players laying on the ground after the match is only symbolic and a call out to a cultural shift happening at the club. We may lose a match, but we will win the journey. We will get better every day, and complacency will not feature in our vocabulary. We owe it to the club of old, we owe it to supporters past and present. Strap yourselves in Pies fans. |
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RudeBoy
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Bally12, I understand your view, and it's certainly a reasonable one, and one shared by a lot of people, but I'm not one who is impressed by psycho-babble nonsense. If Fly's comments upsets or offends even just one of our players, then it has the potential to damage the unity of our team.
The simple fact is, Fly was imposing his personal interpretation of the meaning of momentarily lying on the ground after such a heart-braking loss. The thought never occurred to me that it was an act of "loser behaviour". The fact that there are differences of opinion on the value or negative impact of Fly's comments here on Nicks, no doubt means there would be similar differences of opinion amongst our playing group. At this critical moment in our finals campaign, to risk sewing seeds of offence or disrespect towards some of our players is totally reckless. I understand Fly was emotional himself, so I don't want to be too critical of him, but seeing as he is always talking about the caring and supportive environment we are building at Collingwood, I truly hope he apologises to those half dozen players he called out. |
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pietillidie
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^Perspective, mate. Humans are allowed to be humans. The best father figures are never perfect; they are role models because of how well they do despite being all too human. And those around who know them judge them on the whole. It's the exact same reality in your life, you're just viewing the circumstances in the abstract rather than a within-relationship perspective.
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Cruisinwithdids
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| Been a rough 24hrs getting over this - that was the game I really wanted us to win - a huge game in our history. We missed opportunities as any losing side does, but I just can’t get away from the umpiring hurting us at critical stages - Ginnivan (he is being treated differently than any other player) push, various holding the ball non decisions from our tackling, deliberates against Howe & Pendlebury. Now that there is no commentary on umpiring standards, it’s just getting worse and worse as there’s no accountability. An umpire can now pay or not pay any free kick to the player of their choice when any body contact occurs. It’s damaging the game. |
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Jezza 
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| bally12 wrote: | Rudy, that comment by Fly has more significance and a deeper meaning than you realise. You shouldn't be taking it on face value, and certainly not imdidualise it to specific players. The criticism was not a personal attack on the players.
Fly has delved deep into the history of our club, its psyche, its amazing successes, but also its storied failures at the last hurdle. You can see this with his emphasis put to the players to honour the jumper and the importance for everyone at the club to embrace and respect its history. We were once not just the most famous club but a mighty club of the people that defied the odds and won premiership after premiership. And very much to the chagrin and dismay of our well-to-do rivals.
Somehow in the last 60 years, events, circumstances, sheer bad luck, and undoubtedly mis-management conspired to make us known as the club that loses grand finals. The Collingwobbles were born and became a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Fly recognises this, and his mission is not only to create a great team but drive cultural and behavioural changes at the club that lead to sustained success, and that will restore the club to its past glory.
How many times have you heard from Pies supporters that we need to be more like Hawthorn in the way they demand and achieve success. Well this is what Fly is going to implement, but in Collingwood's unique way. His reference to the players laying on the ground after the match is only symbolic and a call out to a cultural shift happening at the club. We may lose a match, but we will win the journey. We will get better every day, and complacency will not feature in our vocabulary. We owe it to the club of old, we owe it to supporters past and present. Strap yourselves in Pies fans. |
Great post.
This is how I interpret Fly's comments as well.
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My last comment on this match, we scared the living shit out of them, the so called unbeatable top team, that some said would smash us. I reckon we gave them one hell of a fright, and our players left nothing out on the field, we gave it our all. OK we had a couple down, but so did they, we gave it everything we had, nearly pulled it off. Im proud of our lads, proud, now onto next week, and crush the purple haze, I have NO doubt of that.
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yep let this one die!
onwards and upwards - vertical please!
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| JC Hartley wrote: | Under twilight skies at the Melbourne Cricket Ground, Collingwood led Geelong after each of the first three quarters, and were on course to clinch a victory, before poor skill execution and defensive lapses in the dying minutes allowed the Cats to inch ahead and win by 6 points in a captivating contest that had numerous lead changes throughout the game. The first term saw the Magpies jump out of the blocks early to impact the scoreboard, but did not maximise their damage with the opportunities they had up forward, which kept the Cats in the game and Collingwood's lead at quarter time was 14 points. Geelong got to work in the second term by hitting back on the scoreboard themselves and constricting Collingwood's ball movement up forward, until the Magpies found enough time and space to find Will Hoskin-Elliott, who took a mark and converted Collingwood's only goal for the second quarter after the siren, which enabled the Woods to regain the lead by 1 point at the main break. The third term saw both sides exchange majors at various stages, before the Pies closed out the quarter with a slender lead of 7 points heading into the final change. The fourth quarter became a quarter of momentum shifts, and when Jordan De Goey put Collingwood back in front with 5 minutes to play, it was highly possible that the Magpies were going to push on and close out the match with another victory, in a manner that's been achieved so often and frequently this season. However, Geelong put paid to those aspirations and dreams with the last two majors of the contest to outlast the Magpies by 6 points in a cracking final that had everything and remained thrilling until the dying moments. An opportunity missed for Collingwood to remain in Melbourne for the remainder of the 2022 Finals Series, but an opportunity is there as the vanquished seeking redemption.
Collingwood won their statistical categories from areas such as disposals by +22 (373 - 351), +33 for kicks (227 - 194), uncontested possessions were up by +44 (226 - 182), while hit-outs had an advantage of +14 (48 - 34), and clearances were won narrowly by +1 (42 - 41), with stoppage clearances also claimed by +1 (32 - 31). Tackles had a differential of +15 (85 - 70), while marks had a gap of +28 (90 - 62), with the Magpies having a buffer of +32 (81 - 49), while Marks Inside 50 were up by +4 (13 - 9), and Inside 50 were won by +3 (56 - 53). Geelong won their statistical categories from sources such as handballs by +11 (157 - 146), contested possessions were up by +21 (155 - 134), and intercept possessions had a margin of +5 (86 - 81). Geelong had an advantage of +2 from Tackles Inside 50 (12 - 10), while winning contested marks by +4 (13 - 9). Centre clearances was the only statistic (10 each) where both teams broke even.
Scott Pendlebury (34 disposals @ 65%, 318 metres gained, 15 contested possessions, 19 uncontested possessions, 7 intercept possessions, 15 kicks, 19 handballs, 2 marks, 5 tackles, 1 goal assist, 6 score involvements, 5 clearances, 2 centre clearances, 3 stoppage clearances & 2 Rebound 50s) generated the bulk of the team's ball movement, put his nose in the trough countless times to feed handpasses out to his teammates, and gave great direction and leadership as usual under extreme pressure.
Josh Daicos (29 disposals @ 83%, 519 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 24 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 16 kicks, 13 handballs, 8 marks, 5 tackles, 3 score involvements, 2 clearances, 2 stoppage clearances, 8 Inside 50s, 2 Rebound 50s & 1 goal) was highly prolific on the wing, and looked to kick or handball it forward as often as possible. Josh will be annoyed he couldn't score when the game was all tied up before Geelong ended up with the match-winning goal which was kicked by Max Holmes. Josh will be eager to respond after that lamentable piece of execution, and does not let that play define his season. Only time will tell over which way that story goes.
Jordan De Goey (26 disposals @ 73%, 465 metres gained, 12 contested possessions, 14 contested possessions, 15 kicks, 11 handballs, 4 marks, 9 tackles, 1 goal assist, 7 score involvements, 8 clearances, 4 centre clearances, 4 stoppage clearances, 6 Inside 50s & 2 goals) was tremendous in the midfield and almost got Collingwood over the line by himself. De Goey won centre clearances and contested ball which gave the team greater access to the forwards to impact marking contests and scoreboard in the same motion. De Goey was equally brilliant with his ball movement to make it as fast and direct as possible.
Steele Sidebottom (23 disposals @ 56%, 474 metres gained, 13 contested possessions, 10 uncontested possessions, 10 intercept possessions, 13 kicks, 10 handballs, 4 marks, 6 tackles, 5 score involvements, 3 clearances, 3 stoppage clearances, 4 Inside 50s & 4 Rebound 50s) accumulated his standard quota of possessions on his wing, and basically played a territory game at all costs by moving the footy forward under any level of pressure.
Jack Crisp (23 disposals @ 56%, 485 metres gained, 10 contested possessions, 13 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 12 kicks, 11 handballs, 3 marks, 5 tackles, 5 score involvements, 4 clearances, 4 stoppage clearances, 8 Inside 50s & 1 goal) won the ball often enough to be damaging, but his ball use under pressure and delivery to his team's forwards was not at a level where he could have been more effective. Crisp did have a great moment in the third term where he snapped a goal through to give the Pies back the lead at that stage of the game, then Crisp gathered the ball across the 50-metre arc and had a ping from 45 metres to kick a behind which levelled the scores.
Patrick Lipinski (18 disposals @ 83%, 256 metres gained, 8 contested possessions, 10 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 10 kicks, 8 handballs, 5 marks, 2 tackles, 2 Tackles Inside 50, 3 goal assists, 6 score involvements, 3 clearances, 3 stoppage clearances & 1 goal) showed poise and composure with his ball use under pressure, and impacted scoring chains for the team in a solid outing.
Darcy Cameron (14 disposals @ 43%, 159 metres gained, 8 contested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 25 hit-outs, 7 kicks, 7 handballs, 3 marks, 7 tackles, 2 score involvements, 4 clearances, 2 centre clearances, 2 stoppage clearances and 3 Rebound 50s) gave his midfield opportunities to win centre clearances and showed adequate intent to tackle opponents.
John Noble (27 disposals @ 74%, 485 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 22 uncontested possessions, 6 intercept possessions, 20 kicks, 7 handballs, 6 marks, 4 tackles, 2 score involvements, 5 Inside 50s & 3 Rebound 50s) gave great run and carry with steady ball use coming out of defence, and Noble wasn't afraid to push higher up the ground to conjure forward entries for his teammates.
Nick Daicos (25 disposals @ 80%, 411 metres gained, 7 contested possessions, 18 uncontested possessions, 7 intercept possessions, 17 kicks, 8 handballs, 5 marks, 3 tackles, 2 score involvements, 2 clearances & 7 Rebound 50s) adjusted extremely well to the pressure by making his decision-making and ball use as simple as possible for the tempo of finals footy.
Darcy Moore (21 disposals @ 86%, 366 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 18 uncontested possessions, 10 intercept possessions, 15 kicks, 6 handballs, 10 marks, 2 Inside 50s & 8 Rebound 50s) played a brilliant game by blanketing Tom Hawkins and took countless intercept marks to generate rebounds and positive territory forward of the play.
Brayden Maynard (19 disposals @ 68%, 346 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 13 uncontested possessions, 7 intercept possessions, 12 kicks, 7 handballs, 7 marks, 5 tackles, 3 score involvements & 3 Rebound 50s) played with great grit and determination in his want to compete in each contest he had fought. His ball use was a bit off, but he did not let that bother him a great deal when he produces heroic efforts each week.
Jeremy Howe (16 disposals @ 88%, 253 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 11 uncontested possessions, 5 intercept possessions, 10 kicks, 6 handballs, 6 marks, 4 tackles & 4 Rebound 50s) gave the team some stability behind the ball with his marking game and his ball use was sufficiently tidy.
Beau McCreery (14 disposals @ 79%, 316 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 8 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 9 kicks, 5 handballs, 3 tackles, 1 goal assist, 3 score involvements, 2 clearances, 2 stoppage clearances & 4 Inside 50s) won enough of the ball up forward to be a damaging and influential player, but could not parlay those efforts onto the scoreboard in an adequate manner. McCreery would also be advised to work on ball-handling skills during the week, so he is in better form against the Dockers next week.
Will Hoskin-Elliott (14 disposals @ 57%, 313 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 11 uncontested possessions, 12 kicks, 2 handballs, 4 marks, 2 Marks Inside 50, 4 tackles, 1 goal assist, 5 score involvements & 1 goal) accumulated possessions on the outside of the contest by taking marks or using his leg speed to break away from congestion. Not the best of games from Hoskin-Elliott, aside from his goal after the siren at half time.
Ash Johnson (9 disposals @ 78%, 219 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 6 uncontested possessions, 8 kicks, 6 marks, 3 Marks Inside 50, 2 tackles, 2 Tackles Inside 50, 4 score involvements, 3 Inside 50s & 2 goals) was Collingwood's most dangerous forward who impacted the scoreboard immensely in the third term, but was also a bit wasteful with his blasé snap around the corner in the opening term proving to be costly.
Jamie Elliott (8 disposals @ 38%, 209 metres gained, 7 uncontested possessions, 7 kicks, 6 marks, 4 Marks Inside 50, 7 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 1 goal) was uncharacteristically wasteful in front of goal, but remained a contributor in scoring chains from his disposals throughout the game. Have your kicking boots back on next week, 'Billy'!
Collingwood's next game will be on September 10 against Fremantle at the MCG. This will be Collingwood's first ever final against the Dockers, and the stakes have never been higher nor more important than now between these two sides. The Magpies need to be cleaner and sharper with their gathering skills at ground level, get on top in the contested ball and generate clearances for the forwards to react first and quicker to each ball that comes in up forward. From there, it will be about converting scores into goals for a trip to Sydney to play the Swans. |
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Hi COLWDT, are you not familiar with JC Hartley's regular indepth analysis that he so meticulously presents at the end of each game. Many here are extremely appreciative of the effort JC makes every week to give us this data because it helps us understand the performance even more fully.
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