Postpone the Finals out of respect to our Queen

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[David]

I'm familiar with Moses Farrow's testimony, and I agree that it's compelling – though I think we should afford Mia Farrow the same presumption of innocence that we offer Allen. Besides the allegations of physical abuse, it goes without saying that brainwashing a child into believing they were sexually abused would be a pretty horrific thing to do to someone, so that is no less worthy of being described as "alleged". Personally, I think there are enough complications to confidently assert that I don't know who's telling the truth in that sad story, and I don't think it's my place to assume judge or jury either way. For me, both Allen and Farrow are innocent until proven guilty, and it's a pity that so many have not only assumed his guilt but essentially run him out of the industry.

Is it ever justified to make a call either way, without the benefit of a legal finding, as we're both doing with Prince Andrew? I guess the question is whether, if a person hasn't been found guilty by the courts, how much circumstantial evidence is enough to decide their guilt. Let's not forget it took many months after his downfall for Weinstein to be convicted of anything, but in the interim period we all assumed he was guilty given the mountain of testimony against him and that was in hindsight entirely justified.

You posted a link to an article making fun of Pell, whose own case was surely no less murky and hard to gauge than Allen's (and ultimately led to a not guilty verdict on appeal). We all have reasons for wanting people we like or admire to be innocent of allegations and for believing or even secretly hoping that people we don't like did what they're accused of. But if we're going to go around assuming guilt or innocence, I think the least we can do is ensure that we're leaving our own biases at the door. For me, Pell, Porter, Allen and Biden all deserve the same benefit of the doubt.

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I was waiting for you Hal used to say 😉 With respect the issue of linking Pell is his participation in the Church’s coverup, the moving on of the Rapists etc the way the church treated the victims not the court case of his guilt re one individual. He was head of the church and earlier dioceses and the way they treated victims should be enough to kick him out: I see the Pope gas in effect done this. Putting money before people isn’t very Christian.

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Wow,

Title includes “respect for our queen”

And. Here we are!

Who’s next?

Heather ORourke anybody? who knows if its true?

Rich entitled protected men with dirty secrets. Who woulda guessed?

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Certainly is one of the more wilder deviations from the original topic.

[David]

Just thankful it's no longer in General Discussion.

[stui magpie]

Saw a nice meme,

Since the death of Queen Elizabeth, people will no longer get a letter from the Monarch when they turn 100.

Instead, people will receive a text from Prince Andrew when they turn 14.

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https://chaser.com.au/general-news/prince-andrew-put-in-charge-of-corgis-due-to-his-vast-experience-with-grooming/