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David wrote:
I don't get it. Are you being facetious, or do you actually believe that's what's going to happen?
I reckon that will happen to roughly the same number who get a free vote, The rest won't be able to vote because their husband won't take them, or will vote for who they're told without the histrionics.
With respect, how much do you know about Saudi culture? I'm not an expert myself, just wondering what these assertions are based on.
I don't know a hell of a lot, so the assertions are based on the pattern that in a society where women's rights and freedoms are so rigidly controlled by men who have a vested interest in keeping it that way, it doesn't logically follow that they would be allowed unrestricted voting and handed the ability to change the system.
They may be given the right to vote in law, but it's in practice that counts.
Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down.
Hypocrites of the highest order who fund terrorism to spread salafist Wahibbism and who have deemed to " allow" females to vote knowing full well it won't change a thing.
“The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.”
As with most Western discussions of women's treatment in Islamic cultures, the voices of the actual women we're discussing have been completely absent in this thread. Call that a failure of Western feminism or just Western cultural discourse in general, but it is an issue that many contemporary feminists acknowledge and seek to address.
As with most Western discussions of women's treatment in Islamic cultures, the voices of the actual women we're discussing have been completely absent in this thread. Call that a failure of Western feminism or just Western cultural discourse in general, but it is an issue that many contemporary feminists acknowledge and seek to address.
They ain't allowed to vote drive shoe their hair, I doubt they get to watch footy so they won't know what nicks is all about to post here!
You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either!
David wrote:
I don't know for sure how much this indicates genuine progress as opposed to a token gesture aimed at warding off international criticism. Either way, I remain sceptical about the sceptics' scepticism: the fact is that none of us are on the ground there and none of us really has a clue what this means for the women of Saudi Arabia. I can only compare it to our history here, which would suggest that women's suffrage is one of the key milestones in the journey towards gender equality.
I remain sceptical about your scepticism of the sceptics scepticism and will remain sceptical until some evidence that this is the beginning of genuine change and not just a token.
Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down.
David wrote:I don't know for sure how much this indicates genuine progress as opposed to a token gesture aimed at warding off international criticism. Either way, I remain sceptical about the sceptics' scepticism: the fact is that none of us are on the ground there and none of us really has a clue what this means for the women of Saudi Arabia. I can only compare it to our history here, which would suggest that women's suffrage is one of the key milestones in the journey towards gender equality.
You're totally right David.
Most Muslim countries are stihl ruled by Monarchs or they've only recently begun their journey towards the enlightened democratic civilization we pampered Westerners take for granted.
These people have experienced repression and hardship all their lives simply because of where they were born and who controlled their upbringing.
We must cut these people some slack when they appear to be trying to move in direction instead of the blanket condemnation when-ever the words "Muslims" and "womans rights" are used in the same paragraph.
As with most Western discussions of women's treatment in Islamic cultures, the voices of the actual women we're discussing have been completely absent in this thread. Call that a failure of Western feminism or just Western cultural discourse in general, but it is an issue that many contemporary feminists acknowledge and seek to address.
Thank you captain obvious
It's as though western feminists (whatever that means) are to be blame for the women whose voices haven't been heard.
Moving forward, perhaps in the fullness of time & at the appropriate juncture we can hear their narrative, their voices & their individual & collective journies (not to mention their experience) by asking their husbands permission .
Indeed perhaps we could get a grant & give these women cameras to document their stories & marvel about it at the next underground film festival of radical subversive ideas.
Me, I'm off to sip my fair trade organic biodynamic skinny latte made by a person sporting tattoos of "death before decaf" on their arms. Gotta get your priorities right
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