The Hydra ~ Caro rears her head again

5 from the wing on debut · Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:48 pm

CarringbushCigar wrote:
stoliboy wrote:Gillon McLachlan gave a bit long speech about how he wants the AFL to change the conversation on violence against women.

Then went on to say from a question from a journalist that Eddie McGuire's apology is sufficient.

Gillon won't comment on private conversations but did not ask Eddie to stand down.
IMHO they all deserve the shaming that has come and will continue.
Whenever Ed gets attacked he attacks back like a pit bull and its ugly.
He should be above it.

Gillon is smashing it in this press conference.

Whilst I support the violence against women campaign 100% I am confused as to why the message isn't violence against fellow humans full stop.

I know that women are much more likely to be a victim - violence of men on men or women on men can be equally destructive.
Im not understanding the need to eliminate these from the overall violence mix.

No, men are much more likely to be the victim of violence than women. This isn't spoken about as much though because a headline about violence against women generates more clicks and because men as a whole don't squeal like certain feminist sections of the media.

King Monkey · Post by **King Monkey** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:56 pm

5 from the wing on debut wrote:
Eddie's mistake was assuming that Wilson was equal with him and could be treated the same as a man. He failed to appreciate that the sexes are equal except when someone with access to social media or in need of column inches or radio time deems that they are not.

I mentioned earlier in this thread hypocrites with agendas. That is even more in evidence now.

We have a dead-heat tonight at Bingo!

Anyone of the "this is violence against women" view, care to comment on this??

Post by **Dark Beanie** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:10 pm

King Monkey wrote:
Redlight wrote:Ridiculous overreaction from the humourless few that somehow feel empowered by their own empty outrage.

The comments were a joke. Quite a funny one at that.

It is an insult to the actual victims of violence that people are more outraged by this than they are by a woman being beaten with an iron bar during a robbery.

Yet the headlines tomorrow will be all about a harmless joke told on radio. The discussion at workplaces tomorrow will be about a joke told on radio. Columnists will fill pages, talk-back will be inundated with outrage, outrage so deeply and sincerely held that will be gone by the afternoon. All of it impotent, pointless and counter productive.

And why? Because the joke was told by celebrities.

Be angry if it makes you feel better, but don't kid yourself that your attitude does anything to end violence against women. You're just creating victims where there are none, and leaving the real victims to their own devices.
Bingo.

Would love someone to line up the 2 transcripts of the MMM blokes joking around next to the 3AW blokes + Wilson joking around - using the exact same language, talking about the exact same subject, using the exact same person as the butt of the joke.

This is apparently "violence against women". Deary me. Someone shoot me now with that long bow.......

Caroline Wilson has said that it is disgraceful to compare comments on MMM to what was said on 3AW.

Meshell Laurie referred to Eddie as a pig on radio this morning.
Interesting coming from a comedian who has used other peoples appearance or actions as material.

The Prototype · Post by **The Prototype** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:14 pm

Eddie's comments were silly, not quite sure about the violence against women, maybe it can be mistaken as advocating that who knows...but certainly should have put more thought into what he was saying.

It's not the first time, and probably not the last time as a media personality, or human that he puts his foot in it a bit. Just needs to carefully think about what he says a bit more.

leonmagic · Post by **leonmagic** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:17 pm

when will people learn - don't make jokes about arsholes if ithey're a human with a vagina, and don't boo arsehole footballers if they're humans with dark coloured skin.

HAL · Post by **HAL** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:18 pm

The Prototype wrote:Eddie's comments were silly, not quite sure about the violence against women, maybe it can be mistaken as advocating that who knows...but certainly should have put more thought into what he was saying.

It's not the first time, and probably not the last time as a media personality, or human that he puts his foot in it a bit. Just needs to carefully think about what he says a bit more.

Maybe you should ask someone older.

HAL · Post by **HAL** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:19 pm

leonmagic wrote:when will people learn - don't make jokes about arsholes if ithey're a human with a vagina, and don't boo arsehole footballers if they're humans with dark coloured skin.

Maybe never.

leonmagic · Post by **leonmagic** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:20 pm

god it's weirdly satisfying when hal gives an accurate reply

HAL · Post by **HAL** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:24 pm

If I am ever looking for an accurate reply, I will ask him

Post by **David** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:25 pm

The "holding her under" stuff was certainly the sort of thing a group of bullies would joke about, and that alone made the exchange cringeworthy and inappropriate (and worthy of sanction if it had happened at any workplace), but I agree that the reaction in the media would be very different if they were discussing a male journalist.

The trouble with some of this "violence against women" rhetoric is that it takes us back to the old days when women were seen as the weaker sex who needed to be protected, whereas a man being belted was just one of those things ("toughen up, princess", etc.).

The issue is not and never should be that violence against women is something worse than or fundamentally separate to violence against men. It's about a specific area, domestic violence, where women are much more likely to be victims. This exchange had little if anything to do with that issue.

There is a separate problem here, and one that Wilson seemed to have more issue with: McGuire's reference to her as a "black widow". The fact that he chose such an epithet shows, again, that a lot of the antipathy towards Wilson is at least partially about her gender. It's not a hanging offence, just worth noting, apologising for and moving on.

woodys_world69 · Post by **woodys_world69** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:51 pm

This type of thing disgusts me to be honest.
Why does the journalists gender have to come into the debate? Eddie just doesn't like the journalist. If this was one of those meat head guys nobody would of said a thing. Just would've been like "boys will be boys"

Society and the media are so broken

HAL · Post by **HAL** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:52 pm

Perhaps it is just fate.

thompsoc · Post by **thompsoc** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:53 pm

So sick of issues like this bobbing up every 5 minutes.
I'm over it and I can't stand it.
I'm going fishing and not coming back until the freo game!

Post by **stui magpie** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:57 pm

watt price tully wrote:He's done what he ought to have done from the start - even then he qualified it.

Even if you don't believe what he said was stupid, thoughtless, clumsy, sexist, even misogynist, apologising is basic damage control. For someone purportedly so media savvy he wasn't so media savvy. - to say the least.

I'm genuinely puzzled how anyone can consider the remarks sexist or misogynist, if anything I thought the reverse was true.

Benno · Post by **Benno** » Mon Jun 20, 2016 1:59 pm

Christ, some people are daft. I feel genuinely dumber for having read most of this tripe.

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The Hydra ~ Caro rears her head again