The Hydra ~ Caro rears her head again

[5 from the wing on debut]

If Carro spent more time in the kitchen and laundry we wouldn't be in this mess.

Glad you omitted the next room in the sequence.

[think positive]

Gillon McLachlan gave a bit long speech about how he wants the AFL to change the conversation on violence against women.

Then went on to say from a question from a journalist that Eddie McGuire's apology is sufficient.

Gillon won't comment on private conversations but did not ask Eddie to stand down.

IMHO they all deserve the shaming that has come and will continue.
Whenever Ed gets attacked he attacks back like a pit bull and its ugly.
He should be above it.

Gillon is smashing it in this press conference.

Whilst I support the violence against women campaign 100% I am confused as to why the message isn't violence against fellow humans full stop.

I know that women are much more likely to be a victim - violence of men on men or women on men can be equally destructive.
Im not understanding the need to eliminate these from the overall violence mix.

No, men are much more likely to be the victim of violence than women. This isn't spoken about as much though because a headline about violence against women generates more clicks and because men as a whole don't squeal like certain feminist sections of the media.

Yes men are much more likely to be the victim, but you need to finish the statement. Men are also more likely to be the abuser against either men or women.

However, isn't it time we were all just people? Keep your damn hands to yourself. Full stop. Hitting a defenceless male is as bad as hitting a defenceless female.

As for this though, it's fricken ridiculous! This woman is an embarrassment to women! Gees take a husband and wife at a bungee jump "what happens if the rope snaps?" "It's ok honey, your life insurance will look after me"

talk about over reaction. But Collingwood sells papers.

[Piesnchess]

I sure aint watching Footy Classifieds tonight, Caro will turn it into one huge bash eddie and Collingwood episode. Come to think of it, with the PM and Shorten now wading in on this issue, I reckon it will be a topic on the abc Q and A show tonight, you can bet on it.

[think positive]

Women Today Especially Feminist go Ape Shit over anything Negative about Women. They need to get a Life

Do not lump me with this <snip> please Dave. "Some" may, I don't.

And make sure you open the door for me!

[King Monkey]

Whether you support Eddie or not what the incident has shown (amongst other things) is:

1. Eddie is a goose when it comes to this & other incidents.
2. Eddie should've apologised unequivocally - without excuses or blame.
3. Eddie should've called Caro to apologise straight away
4. Eddie doesn't get it
5. Eddie can be cringeworthy

I'm shocked that Eddie couldn't do some basic damage control for a man that is meant have media smarts.

Having said that, do I think Eddie is misogynist? No
Do I think Eddie has been good for Collingwood? Yes most of the time.

People have been asking & saying that if the same was said about Robbo then ....Indeed that is the whole point.

This is in a week or so since the womens AFL & Collingwood's license & the discussion about Domestic Violence

He & the boys are just the same as the Footy Show of old: Bogan bully boys wearing suits. In the media corridors of power, the best woman knows her place.

If you label this as PC then you've missed the point. I rarely agree with whatsinaname but she's mostly nailed on these pages in my opinion.

Ok.
So we need to be treating a woman differently than we would treat a man.
Gotcha.

One question - have you heard the segment in question?? Or even read the full transcript??
Sorry, two questions - have you heard the 3AW segment on the exact same topic that Wilson was actually a part of??

I put it to you that this is no more and no less than - Caroline trying to "get Eddie in trouble" (for want of a better term) - and absolutely nothing to do with Domestic Violence and misogyny.

[Collingwood Crackerjack]

Ridiculous overreaction from the humourless few that somehow feel empowered by their own empty outrage.

The comments were a joke. Quite a funny one at that.

It is an insult to the actual victims of violence that people are more outraged by this than they are by a woman being beaten with an iron bar during a robbery.

Yet the headlines tomorrow will be all about a harmless joke told on radio. The discussion at workplaces tomorrow will be about a joke told on radio. Columnists will fill pages, talk-back will be inundated with outrage, outrage so deeply and sincerely held that will be gone by the afternoon. All of it impotent, pointless and counter productive.

And why? Because the joke was told by celebrities.

Be angry if it makes you feel better, but don't kid yourself that your attitude does anything to end violence against women. You're just creating victims where there are none, and leaving the real victims to their own devices.

Not really sure what this is in reference to: have earlier posts have been deleted?

I think Billy is alluding to the culture in which domestic and general violence against women in this country is tolerated....its the old 'was only joking about' argument.

His comments were out of line, and in my opinion, worse than the King Kong 'joke'.

2 women a week of average die as a result of domestic violence; this is not a laughing matter, its a National disgrace

[Collingwood Crackerjack]

Ridiculous overreaction from the humourless few that somehow feel empowered by their own empty outrage.

The comments were a joke. Quite a funny one at that.

It is an insult to the actual victims of violence that people are more outraged by this than they are by a woman being beaten with an iron bar during a robbery.

Yet the headlines tomorrow will be all about a harmless joke told on radio. The discussion at workplaces tomorrow will be about a joke told on radio. Columnists will fill pages, talk-back will be inundated with outrage, outrage so deeply and sincerely held that will be gone by the afternoon. All of it impotent, pointless and counter productive.

And why? Because the joke was told by celebrities.

Be angry if it makes you feel better, but don't kid yourself that your attitude does anything to end violence against women. You're just creating victims where there are none, and leaving the real victims to their own devices.

Hit the nail on the head. Good to see the perpetually outraged out in force. I think it's time to get off this planet as the idiots have taken over.

Personally that kind of blokey humour shown in the transcript leaves me cold. But it was clearly meant as a joke against someone who has often expressed a negative view of McGuire, and it was not condoning violence against women - it was joking about drowning one particular woman, rather as either gender might joke about drowning an ex-spouse. Slightly poor taste ? Yeah, I guess so - but hardly malicious.

We mostly stopped being religious years ago but the need of the pursed-lips brigade to parade their virtue by acucusing others of blasphemy is as strong as ever.

Wow...just... wow. Got a lot of work to do as a Nation it would seem

[think positive]

Whether you support Eddie or not what the incident has shown is:

1. Eddie is a goose when it comes to this & other incidents.
2. Eddie should've apologised unequivocally - without excuses or blame.
3. Eddie should've called Caro to apologise straight away
4. Eddie doesn't get it
5. Eddie can be cringeworthy

I'm shocked that Eddie couldn't do some basic damage control for a man that is meant have media smarts.

Having said that, do I think Eddie is misogynist? No
Do I think Eddie has been good for Collingwood? Yes most of the time.

People have been asking & saying that if the same was said about Robbo then ....Indeed that is the whole point.

This is in a week or so since the womens AFL & Collingwood's license & the discussion about Domestic Violence

He & the boys are just the same as the Footy Show of old: Bogan bully boys wearing suits. In the media corridors of power, the best woman knows her place.

If you label this as PC then you've missed the point. I rarely agree with whatsinaname but she's mostly nailed on these pages in my opinion.

Shock jock alan jones, once said, Julia Gillard should be put in a chaff bag, and drowned at sea, I would say that eddies comments are very, very small beer compared to that remark, which was made without jest.

Did he get in trouble for it?

[stui magpie]

Whether you support Eddie or not what the incident has shown is:

1. Eddie is a goose when it comes to this & other incidents.
2. Eddie should've apologised unequivocally - without excuses or blame.
3. Eddie should've called Caro to apologise straight away
4. Eddie doesn't get it
5. Eddie can be cringeworthy

I'm shocked that Eddie couldn't do some basic damage control for a man that is meant have media smarts.

Having said that, do I think Eddie is misogynist? No
Do I think Eddie has been good for Collingwood? Yes most of the time.

People have been asking & saying that if the same was said about Robbo then ....Indeed that is the whole point.

This is in a week or so since the womens AFL & Collingwood's license & the discussion about Domestic Violence

He & the boys are just the same as the Footy Show of old: Bogan bully boys wearing suits. In the media corridors of power, the best woman knows her place.

If you label this as PC then you've missed the point. I rarely agree with whatsinaname but she's mostly nailed on these pages in my opinion.

Eddie did apologise this morning on radio, he was left messages for Wilson but as of this morning she hadn't returned them and called him back.

I didn't particularly find the thing funny, buet I can get where Eddie was coming from, and Brayshaw as both have been on the receiving end of fictitious critical damaging articles from Wilson over the years and it's reasonably clear that neither have a lot of respect for her journalistic integrity. Basically she makes shit up and when pinned blames her "sources".

Eddie is neither sexist or misogynist, nor was he advocating violence against women, he made remarks about a person based on their professional behaviour, not their gender, but unfortunately because the person the comments were about is female a whole lot of unintended nuances get attributed to the comments.

Frawley is the knucklehead, he often makes remarks about taking physical retribution on Damien Barrett and other members of the footy panel on MMM and no-one bats an eyelid (even though I don't find it overly humorous) yet clearly he wouldn't dare make the same remarks to a female as he'd get crucified for threatening violence against a woman.

Personally I don't think this whole thing does wonders for the Women's causes, in fact I believe the over the top reaction from some actually has a detrimental effect as it unfortunately seems to emphasise that women (apparently) need to be treated with kid gloves and aren't able to stand up for themselves, which is really unfortunate.

If the remark was inappropriate to make about Wilson but it would have been acceptable to make it about a male, then we've got something wrong.

If Wilson had made similar comments on 3AW when Eddie slid into the Ice regarding Eddie not surfacing, would anyone have cared?

[Piesnchess]

Whether you support Eddie or not what the incident has shown is:

1. Eddie is a goose when it comes to this & other incidents.
2. Eddie should've apologised unequivocally - without excuses or blame.
3. Eddie should've called Caro to apologise straight away
4. Eddie doesn't get it
5. Eddie can be cringeworthy

I'm shocked that Eddie couldn't do some basic damage control for a man that is meant have media smarts.

Having said that, do I think Eddie is misogynist? No
Do I think Eddie has been good for Collingwood? Yes most of the time.

People have been asking & saying that if the same was said about Robbo then ....Indeed that is the whole point.

This is in a week or so since the womens AFL & Collingwood's license & the discussion about Domestic Violence

He & the boys are just the same as the Footy Show of old: Bogan bully boys wearing suits. In the media corridors of power, the best woman knows her place.

If you label this as PC then you've missed the point. I rarely agree with whatsinaname but she's mostly nailed on these pages in my opinion.

Shock jock alan jones, once said, Julia Gillard should be put in a chaff bag, and drowned at sea, I would say that eddies comments are very, very small beer compared to that remark, which was made without jest.

Did he get in trouble for it?

NO way, both tony abbott and joe hockey laughed it off, saying, well that's jonsey for you. But there was nothing like this hoo haaa over what eddie said, nothing, Julia just laughed it off.

[What'sinaname]

OK, Channel 7 wants to lead the news with

"Eddie in trouble over this threat to drown Caroline Wilson"

OK, this is just farked up now. Eddie never threatened to drown Caro.

Oh boy! It's getting just silly now.

[think positive]

Ridiculous overreaction from the humourless few that somehow feel empowered by their own empty outrage.

The comments were a joke. Quite a funny one at that.

It is an insult to the actual victims of violence that people are more outraged by this than they are by a woman being beaten with an iron bar during a robbery.

Yet the headlines tomorrow will be all about a harmless joke told on radio. The discussion at workplaces tomorrow will be about a joke told on radio. Columnists will fill pages, talk-back will be inundated with outrage, outrage so deeply and sincerely held that will be gone by the afternoon. All of it impotent, pointless and counter productive.

And why? Because the joke was told by celebrities.

Be angry if it makes you feel better, but don't kid yourself that your attitude does anything to end violence against women. You're just creating victims where there are none, and leaving the real victims to their own devices.

Not really sure what this is in reference to: have earlier posts have been deleted?

I think Billy is alluding to the culture in which domestic and general violence against women in this country is tolerated....its the old 'was only joking about' argument.

His comments were out of line, and in my opinion, worse than the King Kong 'joke'.

2 women a week of average die as a result of domestic violence; this is not a laughing matter, its a National disgrace

Your last line is spot on, my dad beat my mum to a pulp more than once, it's no laughing matter. But pray tell, what does this have to do with domestic violence?

Also tell me, if it was about fat slobbo (deliberate abuse to antagonise) would you be as upset and if not why not? Men don't deserve to be beaten by a partner, male or female, by a son, by a father, or walking down the street?

This is political correctness gone mad.

And no one has replied to the fact that Neale Daniher said something simular when Robbo went down the slide.

[HAL]

OK, Channel 7 wants to lead the news with

"Eddie in trouble over this threat to drown Caroline Wilson"

OK, this is just farked up now. Eddie never threatened to drown Caro.

Oh boy! It's getting just silly now.

Great. Do you mean you are a boy?

[Member 7167]

Here is a guy who supported a worthwhile cause that he promoted on both MMM and Fox Footy. His efforts over the last two years have contributed to the success of this campaigne that has raised over $10 m. This money is going exclusively into research that hopefully will assist in finding a cure for this disease. This could potentially save many lives and enrich the life experience of not only those that contact this disease but also their families and friends.

As a society do we celebrate and recognise his contribution. No we twist the content of a light hearted joke into something it was ever meant to be so that some can remonstrate how offended they are. PATHETIC.

[Piesnchess]

OK, Channel 7 wants to lead the news with

"Eddie in trouble over this threat to drown Caroline Wilson"

OK, this is just farked up now. Eddie never threatened to drown Caro.

Oh boy! It's getting just silly now.

Yep. front and centre over politics, terrorisim, bashing folks in a robbery, crime, war in Syria, etc etc, I give up, this society is just so so stuffed up nowdays, lord help us all.