The Hydra ~ Caro rears her head again

[MatthewBoydFanClub]

Anyone for vanilla ice cream?

I hardly see how sexual equality equates to 'the right for women to have the shit kicked out of 'em, same as men'....a weak, placating argument if ever I heard one, and in many ways, far more offensive that most of the ignorant crap posted on this thread.

If 2 blokes a week on average were dying from 'king-hits', all pubs would be shut down until the epidemic was addressed.

Seriously do you know what a joke is, or do you take everything literaturely?

Have you ever been to the comedy festival? Do you know the meaning of satire?

Are you so wrapped up with the cause of DV that you overturn every stone in our society looking for DV?

FFS sake man, read the thread and tell me that some of the crap on here isn't outrageous.

Let me be clear, I found Eddies, or more to the points Frawley's, comments, unseemly in the current climate.

What I find disgraceful is the reaction (on this thread) to the fact he got called on that unseemliness....did you see me posting calling for Eddies head on the 1st page?

BTW, you show me a single piece of satire or good humour on this thread and I'll eat my keyboard, what a BS call. Comedy festival? WTF?

I said it was comedy. I never said it was good humour.

You have to take everything said in context. There is not a malicious bone in Eddie's body against women. Everybody knows that Eddie absolutely condemns any form of domestic violence, so why can't people accept that what was said was said in the humour of an event to raise money for research into MND. Unfortunately now that event is tainted by these comments and that is sad for the organizers trying to raise money for MND.

[think positive]

My main memory of this is that Eddie McGuire dressed himself up in a suit, and was prepared to make himself ridiculous and undignified by sliding on a little blue sled into a pool of ice in front of 50,000 people to raise money for a bloody serious issue. That kind of ice water shocks, and hurts, and it involves a minor kind of personal sacrifice. He did it, stood up, adjusted his tie in a self-mocking manner and walked away - having done a noble thing.

Caroline Wilson is upset because he made a slightly tasteless joke based on his feelings about her journalistic behaviour and denigration of him.

I know whose values seem to me the more real out of this episode. We really have lost our way as a society.

Spot on, very well said, bravo.

Bump bump

[Collingwood Crackerjack]

Fair enough I'll agree to disagree

Fair enough; the email from the Club seems to suggest i'm not Robinson Crusoe with my POV.

I'm no Caro fan, lets make that clear, don't like her work or her apparent spitefulness against those who cross her.

Do I think there was much in Eddies comments? No, not really, didn't think there was much in the 'King Kong' comments other than a a bad joke made on the spot either, but that is not the point.

We are trying to address an National culture issue that runs back to convict times, and I expect better from Eddie, due to the fact he holds one of the most important positions in the Country.

If bill or malcolm made similar jokes, their careers would be over, ditto the GG

And yet a far worse comment was made against Julia Gillard, and no one was sacked, go figure

You'll get no argument fro me on that point, and let me be clear, I am certainly not calling for Eddie to be sacked, merely calling for some understanding as to why eddies comments are unseemly in the current context, and saying I expect better from the President of the greatest Club in the world

[Collingwood Crackerjack]

Seriously do you know what a joke is, or do you take everything literaturely?

Have you ever been to the comedy festival? Do you know the meaning of satire?

Are you so wrapped up with the cause of DV that you overturn every stone in our society looking for DV?

FFS sake man, read the thread and tell me that some of the crap on here isn't outrageous.

Let me be clear, I found Eddies, or more to the points Frawley's, comments, unseemly in the current climate.

What I find disgraceful is the reaction (on this thread) to the fact he got called on that unseemliness....did you see me posting calling for Eddies head on the 1st page?

BTW, you show me a single piece of satire or good humour on this thread and I'll eat my keyboard, what a BS call. Comedy festival? WTF?

I said it was comedy. I never said it was good humour.

You have to take everything said in context. There is not a malicious bone in Eddie's body against women. Everybody knows that Eddie absolutely condemns any form of domestic violence, so why can't people accept that what was said was said in the humour of an event to raise money for research into MND. Unfortunately now that event is tainted by these comments and that is sad for the organizers trying to raise money for MND.

Wouldn't argue with that point, Eddie has a bad case of foot-in-mouth disease clearly....can't say i blame him for being distracted given what is happening at the club (SACK BUCKLEY!!) ...not sure if 'The Big Freeze' has been tainted though, can't agree with that

[think positive]

And yet a far worse comment was made against Julia Gillard, and no one was sacked, go figure

You'll get no argument fro me on that point, and let me be clear, I am certainly not calling for Eddie to be sacked, merely calling for some understanding as to why eddies comments are unseemly in the current context, and saying I expect better from the President of the greatest Club in the world

ok, I accept that.
I don't think Eddie meant it with any real malice though.
and gees, it really makes me think of quite a few things ive heard blokes say, that are just jaw dropping, but not what you would expect from them.


on another note, at least you can argue your point with out the need for - snip-snip-snip!!

man sometimes you just wish you were here earlier to catch them!!

cheers mate, Go Pies!!

[Dave The Man]

http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/video/2 ... es-apology

You think Eddie Commited the Worse Offense ever in Australia History.

What a Huge Bloody Over The Top/

What does the Bloody Poillies have to do with it?

Disgusted that Frawley and the other 2 get off scott Free

[perthmagpie]

http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/eddie-mcguire-in-hot-water-over-caroline-wilson-ice-pool-threat-20160619-gpmp1x.html
There a such a loose amount of attitude for violence against Women...
Zero tolerance
He has to either do a course publicly or go...
Otherwise in my eyes he is a leader of our club the condones violence against Women...
If anyone can highlight a similar case in the media against another journo then step forward

Really? Are you kidding me. Violence against women is in the media is everywhere. It is so everywhere a woman can make allegations against a man anytime they want with no proof and destroy their lives and take their child away for years or forever. It is happening all the time thanks to Gillard'a crazy anti-violence laws. The pendulum has swung so far towards the feminists that fathers are second class people now. There are no consequences for false allegations ever. Why do we have 20,000 IVOs a year in Victoria now. The whole thing has become an industry that is ruining this country.

Look, if that is the case it's an over correction which will self regulate. I don't have a lot of time for the family court system, but If you encourage more woman to report and do something about violence (which is a good thing) you have to accept that with the increased reporting comes a larger number of bogus reports. It comes with the deal.

How many years will dads like me not see their child because the pendulum hasn't swung back yet? I should just suck up the broken system till one day this pendulum swings back to some sanity? Ok, then no worries. It's no big deal losing your child to the DV industry and feminist laws. Wonderful system. Let's just let this crazy stuff keep going for another few years while 7 men commit suicide everyday cos the family law system took their kids away because of DV allegations that never have to be proved. Yep that's cool too.

[Collingwood Crackerjack]

And yet a far worse comment was made against Julia Gillard, and no one was sacked, go figure

You'll get no argument fro me on that point, and let me be clear, I am certainly not calling for Eddie to be sacked, merely calling for some understanding as to why eddies comments are unseemly in the current context, and saying I expect better from the President of the greatest Club in the world

ok, I except that.
I don't think Eddie meant it with any real malice though.
and gees, it really makes me think of quite a few things ive heard blokes say, that are just jaw dropping, but not what you would expect from them.


on another note, at least you can argue your point with out the need for - snip-snip-snip!!

man sometimes you just wish you were here earlier to catch them!!

cheers mate, Go Pies!!

I can't judge anyone else TP, I can only try to stand for what i believe in; I try to do so without name-calling, but Lords knows I have failed on that front of occasion as well.

The bolded is to me the crux of what the fight against DV is all about, and Lord knows I am not immune to stupid, thoughtless comments....its a cultural thing, a very weird thing, that Australian males have, almost as if its balls-n-bones, part-n-parcel, of the male Australian psyche....it needs to change, and please believe I include myself as part of the cohort that needs to change.

We can be better, as a Nation, as the greatest social experiment in the history of humankind, I truly believe we can be better. But we need to start with the little things, and we need to start at the top. Eddie, as far as I am concerned, is the top.


To quote a great man..."What better place then here? What better time then now?"

[think positive]

Really? Are you kidding me. Violence against women is in the media is everywhere. It is so everywhere a woman can make allegations against a man anytime they want with no proof and destroy their lives and take their child away for years or forever. It is happening all the time thanks to Gillard'a crazy anti-violence laws. The pendulum has swung so far towards the feminists that fathers are second class people now. There are no consequences for false allegations ever. Why do we have 20,000 IVOs a year in Victoria now. The whole thing has become an industry that is ruining this country.

Look, if that is the case it's an over correction which will self regulate. I don't have a lot of time for the family court system, but If you encourage more woman to report and do something about violence (which is a good thing) you have to accept that with the increased reporting comes a larger number of bogus reports. It comes with the deal.

How many years will dads like me not see their child because the pendulum hasn't swung back yet? I should just suck up the broken system till one day this pendulum swings back to some sanity? Ok, then no worries. It's no big deal losing your child to the DV industry and feminist laws. Wonderful system. Let's just let this crazy stuff keep going for another few years while 7 men commit suicide everyday cos the family law system took their kids away because of DV allegations that never have to be proved. Yep that's cool too.

how many more kids have to die or be beaten before adults get their damn collective acts together, and care enough to do the right thing for their kids? it works both ways, bad mothers, bad fathers, bad parents, good mothers, good fathers.

[Collingwood Crackerjack]

http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/video/2016-06-20/mcguires-apology

You think Eddie Commited the Worse Offense ever in Australia History.

What a Huge Bloody Over The Top/

What does the Bloody Poillies have to do with it?

Disgusted that Frawley and the other 2 get off scott Free

Frawley is a nobody, Eddie is president of the greatest club in the world....key difference mate.

I expect better from Eddie than I do any pollie...heavy is the head that wears the crown, but he choose to wear it

[think positive]

You'll get no argument fro me on that point, and let me be clear, I am certainly not calling for Eddie to be sacked, merely calling for some understanding as to why eddies comments are unseemly in the current context, and saying I expect better from the President of the greatest Club in the world

ok, I except that.
I don't think Eddie meant it with any real malice though.
and gees, it really makes me think of quite a few things ive heard blokes say, that are just jaw dropping, but not what you would expect from them.


on another note, at least you can argue your point with out the need for - snip-snip-snip!!

man sometimes you just wish you were here earlier to catch them!!

cheers mate, Go Pies!!

I can't judge anyone else TP, I can only try to stand for what i believe in; I try to do so without name-calling, but Lords knows I have failed on that front of occasion as well.

The bolded is to me the crux of what the fight against DV is all about, and Lord knows I am not immune to stupid, thoughtless comments....its a cultural thing, a very weird thing, that Australian males have, almost as if its balls-n-bones, part-n-parcel, of the male Australian psyche....it needs to change, and please believe I include myself as part of the cohort that needs to change.

We can be better, as a Nation, as the greatest social experiment in the history of humankind, I truly believe we can be better. But we need to start with the little things, and we need to start at the top. Eddie, as far as I am concerned, is the top.


To quote a great man..."What better place then here? What better time then now?"

cheers

[watt price tully]

Whether you support Eddie or not what the incident has shown (amongst other things) is:

1. Eddie is a goose when it comes to this & other incidents.
2. Eddie should've apologised unequivocally - without excuses or blame.
3. Eddie should've called Caro to apologise straight away
4. Eddie doesn't get it
5. Eddie can be cringeworthy

I'm shocked that Eddie couldn't do some basic damage control for a man that is meant have media smarts.

Having said that, do I think Eddie is misogynist? No
Do I think Eddie has been good for Collingwood? Yes most of the time.

People have been asking & saying that if the same was said about Robbo then ....Indeed that is the whole point.

This is in a week or so since the womens AFL & Collingwood's license & the discussion about Domestic Violence

He & the boys are just the same as the Footy Show of old: Bogan bully boys wearing suits. In the media corridors of power, the best woman knows her place.

If you label this as PC then you've missed the point. I rarely agree with whatsinaname but she's mostly nailed on these pages in my opinion.

Ok.
So we need to be treating a woman differently than we would treat a man.
Gotcha.

One question - have you heard the segment in question?? Or even read the full transcript??
Sorry, two questions - have you heard the 3AW segment on the exact same topic that Wilson was actually a part of??

I put it to you that this is no more and no less than - Caroline trying to "get Eddie in trouble" (for want of a better term) - and absolutely nothing to do with Domestic Violence and misogyny.

1. I'm not sure how you extrapolated that from what I wrote. The point which I think you're referring to is my line about others & Robbo. With respect to that is that Eddie said it about a female journalist not a male journalist. In case you might have forgotten Eddie has form when he famously told Jessica Rowe he was boning her. We have no male here except a hypothetical straw robbo argument.

2. The segment that Wilson was part of with respect to Shaw & the Geelong bloke on 3AW was in front of her at the time, a point she & others make.

3. I think you're seriously underestating if not overlooking the whole shenanigans to merely frame it as only about Caro being nasty & vindictive to Eddie. I too think there has been an overreaction to it but also a serious rationalisation justifying his blokey behaviour. One reason why I can't listen to MMM or SEN for periods of time (that & the ads are the biggest impediment)

Having said that, Eddie played it badly. He could have neutralised this quite quickly by being contrite & apologising unreservedly. I think it was a pretty dumb response (forget the merits of the case or otherwise) to keep it as an issue. Just say sorry, you didn't mean it, sorry that it was hurtful & move on. It seems he chose to rationalise his behaviour (making his apology appear less than sincere.

Media is about perception & he allowed others to frame the perception by not knocking it on it's head early in the piece. For a savvy media performer he stuffed up I thought.

[watt price tully]

Whether you support Eddie or not what the incident has shown is:

1. Eddie is a goose when it comes to this & other incidents.
2. Eddie should've apologised unequivocally - without excuses or blame.
3. Eddie should've called Caro to apologise straight away
4. Eddie doesn't get it
5. Eddie can be cringeworthy

I'm shocked that Eddie couldn't do some basic damage control for a man that is meant have media smarts.

Having said that, do I think Eddie is misogynist? No
Do I think Eddie has been good for Collingwood? Yes most of the time.

People have been asking & saying that if the same was said about Robbo then ....Indeed that is the whole point.

This is in a week or so since the womens AFL & Collingwood's license & the discussion about Domestic Violence

He & the boys are just the same as the Footy Show of old: Bogan bully boys wearing suits. In the media corridors of power, the best woman knows her place.

If you label this as PC then you've missed the point. I rarely agree with whatsinaname but she's mostly nailed on these pages in my opinion.

Shock jock alan jones, once said, Julia Gillard should be put in a chaff bag, and drowned at sea, I would say that eddies comments are very, very small beer compared to that remark, which was made without jest.

I agree but it doesn't get Eddie of the hook with his clumsy comments

[stui magpie]

Really? Are you kidding me. Violence against women is in the media is everywhere. It is so everywhere a woman can make allegations against a man anytime they want with no proof and destroy their lives and take their child away for years or forever. It is happening all the time thanks to Gillard'a crazy anti-violence laws. The pendulum has swung so far towards the feminists that fathers are second class people now. There are no consequences for false allegations ever. Why do we have 20,000 IVOs a year in Victoria now. The whole thing has become an industry that is ruining this country.

Look, if that is the case it's an over correction which will self regulate. I don't have a lot of time for the family court system, but If you encourage more woman to report and do something about violence (which is a good thing) you have to accept that with the increased reporting comes a larger number of bogus reports. It comes with the deal.

How many years will dads like me not see their child because the pendulum hasn't swung back yet? I should just suck up the broken system till one day this pendulum swings back to some sanity? Ok, then no worries. It's no big deal losing your child to the DV industry and feminist laws. Wonderful system. Let's just let this crazy stuff keep going for another few years while 7 men commit suicide everyday cos the family law system took their kids away because of DV allegations that never have to be proved. Yep that's cool too.

it's not cool. I raised 2 kids as a single father and I have serious empathy for any Dad going through that system or losing access to their kids because someone bullshitted the system.

But the number of bullshitters is small compared to the number of genuine cases and we need to encourage the genuine cases to come out and get help.

FWIW, you have my sympathies, I hope it works out..

[watt price tully]

Whether you support Eddie or not what the incident has shown is:

1. Eddie is a goose when it comes to this & other incidents.
2. Eddie should've apologised unequivocally - without excuses or blame.
3. Eddie should've called Caro to apologise straight away
4. Eddie doesn't get it
5. Eddie can be cringeworthy

I'm shocked that Eddie couldn't do some basic damage control for a man that is meant have media smarts.

Having said that, do I think Eddie is misogynist? No
Do I think Eddie has been good for Collingwood? Yes most of the time.

People have been asking & saying that if the same was said about Robbo then ....Indeed that is the whole point.

This is in a week or so since the womens AFL & Collingwood's license & the discussion about Domestic Violence

He & the boys are just the same as the Footy Show of old: Bogan bully boys wearing suits. In the media corridors of power, the best woman knows her place.

If you label this as PC then you've missed the point. I rarely agree with whatsinaname but she's mostly nailed on these pages in my opinion.

Eddie did apologise this morning on radio, he was left messages for Wilson but as of this morning she hadn't returned them and called him back.

I didn't particularly find the thing funny, buet I can get where Eddie was coming from, and Brayshaw as both have been on the receiving end of fictitious critical damaging articles from Wilson over the years and it's reasonably clear that neither have a lot of respect for her journalistic integrity. Basically she makes shit up and when pinned blames her "sources".

Eddie is neither sexist or misogynist, nor was he advocating violence against women, he made remarks about a person based on their professional behaviour, not their gender, but unfortunately because the person the comments were about is female a whole lot of unintended nuances get attributed to the comments.

Frawley is the knucklehead, he often makes remarks about taking physical retribution on Damien Barrett and other members of the footy panel on MMM and no-one bats an eyelid (even though I don't find it overly humorous) yet clearly he wouldn't dare make the same remarks to a female as he'd get crucified for threatening violence against a woman.

Personally I don't think this whole thing does wonders for the Women's causes, in fact I believe the over the top reaction from some actually has a detrimental effect as it unfortunately seems to emphasise that women (apparently) need to be treated with kid gloves and aren't able to stand up for themselves, which is really unfortunate.

If the remark was inappropriate to make about Wilson but it would have been acceptable to make it about a male, then we've got something wrong.

If Wilson had made similar comments on 3AW when Eddie slid into the Ice regarding Eddie not surfacing, would anyone have cared?

The apology I heard on radio today was equivocal - not sure it was the same one that he said on MMM but I presume they were. I put most of my response to KM & two other posts: Mostly that Eddie mishandled it & has form for foot in mouth. The timing was exquisite as I've noted earlier: Womens AFL & DV issues - even if he didn't mean it. I am really surprised how poorly he has misread the situation.

I like Eddie & think he's been great for our club but at times like this I think he can be an insightless goose.