The Hydra ~ Caro rears her head again

[think positive]

Whether you support Eddie or not what the incident has shown is:

1. Eddie is a goose when it comes to this & other incidents.
2. Eddie should've apologised unequivocally - without excuses or blame.
3. Eddie should've called Caro to apologise straight away
4. Eddie doesn't get it
5. Eddie can be cringeworthy

I'm shocked that Eddie couldn't do some basic damage control for a man that is meant have media smarts.

Having said that, do I think Eddie is misogynist? No
Do I think Eddie has been good for Collingwood? Yes most of the time.

People have been asking & saying that if the same was said about Robbo then ....Indeed that is the whole point.

This is in a week or so since the womens AFL & Collingwood's license & the discussion about Domestic Violence

He & the boys are just the same as the Footy Show of old: Bogan bully boys wearing suits. In the media corridors of power, the best woman knows her place.

If you label this as PC then you've missed the point. I rarely agree with whatsinaname but she's mostly nailed on these pages in my opinion.

Eddie did apologise this morning on radio, he was left messages for Wilson but as of this morning she hadn't returned them and called him back.

I didn't particularly find the thing funny, buet I can get where Eddie was coming from, and Brayshaw as both have been on the receiving end of fictitious critical damaging articles from Wilson over the years and it's reasonably clear that neither have a lot of respect for her journalistic integrity. Basically she makes shit up and when pinned blames her "sources".

Eddie is neither sexist or misogynist, nor was he advocating violence against women, he made remarks about a person based on their professional behaviour, not their gender, but unfortunately because the person the comments were about is female a whole lot of unintended nuances get attributed to the comments.

Frawley is the knucklehead, he often makes remarks about taking physical retribution on Damien Barrett and other members of the footy panel on MMM and no-one bats an eyelid (even though I don't find it overly humorous) yet clearly he wouldn't dare make the same remarks to a female as he'd get crucified for threatening violence against a woman.

Personally I don't think this whole thing does wonders for the Women's causes, in fact I believe the over the top reaction from some actually has a detrimental effect as it unfortunately seems to emphasise that women (apparently) need to be treated with kid gloves and aren't able to stand up for themselves, which is really unfortunate.

If the remark was inappropriate to make about Wilson but it would have been acceptable to make it about a male, then we've got something wrong.

If Wilson had made similar comments on 3AW when Eddie slid into the Ice regarding Eddie not surfacing, would anyone have cared?

The apology I heard on radio today was equivocal - not sure it was the same one that he said on MMM but I presume they were. I put most of my response to KM & two other posts: Mostly that Eddie mishandled it & has form for foot in mouth. The timing was exquisite as I've noted earlier: Womens AFL & DV issues - even if he didn't mean it. I am really surprised how poorly he has misread the situation.

I like Eddie & think he's been great for our club but at times like this I think he can be an insightless goose.

I think it was actually over a week ago wasn't it? Not the woman's round

[Dave The Man]

http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/video/2016-06-20/mcguires-apology

You think Eddie Commited the Worse Offense ever in Australia History.

What a Huge Bloody Over The Top/

What does the Bloody Poillies have to do with it?

Disgusted that Frawley and the other 2 get off scott Free

Frawley is a nobody, Eddie is president of the greatest club in the world....key difference mate.

I expect better from Eddie than I do any pollie...heavy is the head that wears the crown, but he choose to wear it

No One can be 100% Perfect

[Brenny]

I don't think this is a sacking offence and I also don't think he should step down over it.

There is the saying that any publicity is good publicity, but I don't think in this case it is, especially when we were trying to get a women's team and what not.

As I've said previously, Eddie has done wonders for the club and continues to do so. He knows how to rally the troops (supporters) and really lives up to the us against them mentality. He's fantastic!

Considering we now live in a world where you can't say anything at all, I think he sometimes needs to watch his words, although I can understand when you're excited you can sometimes go overboard. I do it all the time, hence why I've had written warnings from previous jobs.

What somewhat annoyed me, and I'm surprised I haven't seen it here, is when Caro said on 3AW this morning, something along the lines of 'it says alot about the average MMM listener if nobody pulled them up or said anything'.

[HAL]

I will take that under consideration.

[Dave The Man]

.What somewhat annoyed me, and I'm surprised I haven't seen it here, is when Caro said on 3AW this morning, something along the lines of 'it says alot about the average MMM listener if nobody pulled them up or said anything'.

and I bet Caro 1st heard about it yesterday

[Cam]

Storm in a C Cup.

Eddie and Co are dumb for putting it on air. I'm sure Caro says as bad if not worse about the boys club, but she is smart enough to not say it on Footy Classified or Offsiders.

I work with mostly women and in the past I had a job with mostly men. The women talking about tradies are quite similar but slightly more tactful than the blokes talking about females walking past. The only real difference is the vocabulary used, the intent is pretty much the same.

If I spoke about women like they did about blokes I would be up on harrassment or sexist charges. I merely snigger and think how bloody similar they are to blokes. Then I go off and paint my nails

[stui magpie]

The apology I heard on radio today was equivocal - not sure it was the same one that he said on MMM but I presume they were. I put most of my response to KM & two other posts: Mostly that Eddie mishandled it & has form for foot in mouth. The timing was exquisite as I've noted earlier: Womens AFL & DV issues - even if he didn't mean it. I am really surprised how poorly he has misread the situation.

I like Eddie & think he's been great for our club but at times like this I think he can be an insightless goose.

So you haven't heard this one then.

http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/video/2 ... es-apology

[Dave The Man]

Storm in a C Cup.

Eddie and Co are dumb for putting it on air. I'm sure Caro says as bad if not worse about the boys club, but she is smart enough to not say it on Footy Classified or Offsiders.

I work with mostly women and in the past I had a job with mostly men. The women talking about tradies are quite similar but slightly more tactful than the blokes talking about females walking past. The only real difference is the vocabulary used, the intent is pretty much the same.

If I spoke about women like they did about blokes I would be up on harrassment or sexist charges. I merely snigger and think how bloody similar they are to blokes. Then I go off and paint my nails

Showing the Double Standerds.

Women can have a Go at Men and Nothing happens but the Oppostite happens and it's the Worse thing that ever Happened.

Should be for both ways

[Neil Appleby]

Unfortunately, we live in a world where the regressive, left wing, PC brigade's constant bleating about being offended, takes priority over free speech. It's very evident here on Nick's, with the mods team now intervening with <snips> more than I can ever remember; sometimes in ludicrous circumstances.

<Mod edit: Once again, cease your public reflections on the moderating team and direct any grievances or queries to us through the prescribed channels if you feel that strongly about it. Do not make us tell you again. - bbmods>

Eddie obviously has it in for Caro and I suspect she reacts to his venom, but if she thinks the tasteless jokes about her, are somehow related to violence against women, then she is mistaken.

I hate the blokey nonsense on MMM footy broadcasts, but I can easily switch to the ABC or 3AW. Some people like the sort of thing that Frawley, Dunstall and Brayshaw regularly dish up and tune in. It's a market of choice, much like like the Footy Show. I cringe whenever I watch the Footy Show, but I can get my footy entertainment by watching Footy Classified and listening to Gerard Whateley and 3AW's Tim Lane.

I don't like the blokey, misogynistic nonsense that is so much part of modern footy, but it's too bad if I'm offended. I can easily just move on and tune in somewhere else.

Caro, who with Gerard Whateley, is in my opinion, the best that footy commentary can offer, should have ignored the boofheads' tasteless jokes.

[Museman]

Really? Are you kidding me. Violence against women is in the media is everywhere. It is so everywhere a woman can make allegations against a man anytime they want with no proof and destroy their lives and take their child away for years or forever. It is happening all the time thanks to Gillard'a crazy anti-violence laws. The pendulum has swung so far towards the feminists that fathers are second class people now. There are no consequences for false allegations ever. Why do we have 20,000 IVOs a year in Victoria now. The whole thing has become an industry that is ruining this country.

Look, if that is the case it's an over correction which will self regulate. I don't have a lot of time for the family court system, but If you encourage more woman to report and do something about violence (which is a good thing) you have to accept that with the increased reporting comes a larger number of bogus reports. It comes with the deal.

How many years will dads like me not see their child because the pendulum hasn't swung back yet? I should just suck up the broken system till one day this pendulum swings back to some sanity? Ok, then no worries. It's no big deal losing your child to the DV industry and feminist laws. Wonderful system. Let's just let this crazy stuff keep going for another few years while 7 men commit suicide everyday cos the family law system took their kids away because of DV allegations that never have to be proved. Yep that's cool too.

Its a fkn joke mate, feel for you.

[stui magpie]

Unfortunately, we live in a world where the regressive, left wing, PC brigade's constant bleating about being offended, takes priority over free speech. It's very evident here on Nick's, with the mods team now intervening with <snips> more than I can ever remember; sometimes in ludicrous circumstances.

<Mod edit: Once again, cease your public reflections on the moderating team and direct any grievances or queries to us through the prescribed channels if you feel that strongly about it. Do not make us tell you again. - bbmods>

Eddie obviously has it in for Caro and I suspect she reacts to his venom, but if she thinks the tasteless jokes about her, are somehow related to violence against women, then she is mistaken.

I hate the blokey nonsense on MMM footy broadcasts, but I can easily switch to the ABC or 3AW. Some people like the sort of thing that Frawley, Dunstall and Brayshaw regularly dish up and tune in. It's a market of choice, much like like the Footy Show. I cringe whenever I watch the Footy Show, but I can get my footy entertainment by watching Footy Classified and listening to Gerard Whateley and 3AW's Tim Lane.

I don't like the blokey, misogynistic nonsense that is so much part of modern footy, but it's too bad if I'm offended. I can easily just move on and tune in somewhere else.

Caro, who with Gerard Whateley, is in my opinion, the best that footy commentary can offer, should have ignored the boofheads' tasteless jokes.

Sorry, you lost me with saying she's up there with Whately, I think she's poor to horrible as far as a journalist goes.

[Dave The Man]

Holden is Thinking of Giving up there Sponser at Collingwood.

I hate to say it that would be the End of Eddie

[Jezza]

This country is stuffed! Everyone's lost their last ounce of common sense today! I can't believe the media shitstorm this has caused.

Losing our sponsorship to Holden would be insane considering the trivial nature of this fiasco compared to Essendon who were obtain to retain their sponsors in January despite WADA finding 34 of their past and present players guilty of using performance-enhancing substances.

I would be surprised if Holden withdrew their support.

[King Monkey]

Whether you support Eddie or not what the incident has shown (amongst other things) is:

1. Eddie is a goose when it comes to this & other incidents.
2. Eddie should've apologised unequivocally - without excuses or blame.
3. Eddie should've called Caro to apologise straight away
4. Eddie doesn't get it
5. Eddie can be cringeworthy

I'm shocked that Eddie couldn't do some basic damage control for a man that is meant have media smarts.

Having said that, do I think Eddie is misogynist? No
Do I think Eddie has been good for Collingwood? Yes most of the time.

People have been asking & saying that if the same was said about Robbo then ....Indeed that is the whole point.

This is in a week or so since the womens AFL & Collingwood's license & the discussion about Domestic Violence

He & the boys are just the same as the Footy Show of old: Bogan bully boys wearing suits. In the media corridors of power, the best woman knows her place.

If you label this as PC then you've missed the point. I rarely agree with whatsinaname but she's mostly nailed on these pages in my opinion.

Ok.
So we need to be treating a woman differently than we would treat a man.
Gotcha.

One question - have you heard the segment in question?? Or even read the full transcript??
Sorry, two questions - have you heard the 3AW segment on the exact same topic that Wilson was actually a part of??

I put it to you that this is no more and no less than - Caroline trying to "get Eddie in trouble" (for want of a better term) - and absolutely nothing to do with Domestic Violence and misogyny.

1. I'm not sure how you extrapolated that from what I wrote. The point which I think you're referring to is my line about others & Robbo. With respect to that is that Eddie said it about a female journalist not a male journalist. In case you might have forgotten Eddie has form when he famously told Jessica Rowe he was boning her. We have no male here except a hypothetical straw robbo argument.

2. The segment that Wilson was part of with respect to Shaw & the Geelong bloke on 3AW was in front of her at the time, a point she & others make.

3. I think you're seriously underestating if not overlooking the whole shenanigans to merely frame it as only about Caro being nasty & vindictive to Eddie. I too think there has been an overreaction to it but also a serious rationalisation justifying his blokey behaviour. One reason why I can't listen to MMM or SEN for periods of time (that & the ads are the biggest impediment)

Having said that, Eddie played it badly. He could have neutralised this quite quickly by being contrite & apologising unreservedly. I think it was a pretty dumb response (forget the merits of the case or otherwise) to keep it as an issue. Just say sorry, you didn't mean it, sorry that it was hurtful & move on. It seems he chose to rationalise his behaviour (making his apology appear less than sincere.

Media is about perception & he allowed others to frame the perception by not knocking it on it's head early in the piece. For a savvy media performer he stuffed up I thought.

Agree with your final paragraph. But don't necessarily agree he should be making a bended knee apology.

The line in bold - "Eddie said it about a journalist" tells the whole story there, not sure why the distinction between male and female is necessary in the context of the radio segment. They were joking about a person they'd all worked with. Because it was aimed at a woman, does not mean it was targeting women.

As I and others have stated previously in this thread, it is a seriously long bow to link what was said and how it was said to Domestic Violence and/or violence against women - whether it was blokey, distasteful, vindictive, jovial, funny, unfunny, insulting, offensive, harmless, all or none of the above......

(EDIT: buggered up the bold. )

[Mugwump]

My main memory of this is that Eddie McGuire dressed himself up in a suit, and was prepared to make himself ridiculous and undignified by sliding on a little blue sled into a pool of ice in front of 50,000 people to raise money for a bloody serious issue. That kind of ice water shocks, and hurts, and it involves a minor kind of personal sacrifice. He did it, stood up, adjusted his tie in a self-mocking manner and walked away - having done a noble thing.

Caroline Wilson is upset because he made a slightly tasteless joke based on his feelings about her journalistic behaviour and denigration of him.

I know whose values seem to me the more real out of this episode. We really have lost our way as a society.

Spot on, very well said, bravo.

Bump bump

Thanks TP - we really seem to live in a world now where what you say is more important than what you do. It is also the case that you can assert firm links between things that have the most tenuous connection, and be treated seriously just because the issue you have connected to (in this case DV and violence against women generally) is important, not because you have any solid argument or evidence.

Meanwhile, anyone who actually does something practical in the world - like McGuire - becomes a shape in the sights of the word-snipers.

It is a sign of something very perverse and destructive.