The Hydra ~ Caro rears her head again

[CarringbushCigar]

The world is also full of bullies who like to threaten people who have done nothing wrong.

It is never right to shoot your mouth off with threats to harm/kill/punish based on you being physically financially or socially stronger.

That is the link here to DV - that these threats should not be treated casually.
All the experts tell us there is a national culture that requires severe questioning and remedying. That is what is happening here.

It has been well documented by many media professionals that people are scared of taking on Eddie.
Eddie has willingly fed this perception of him. It has become part of his self identity I would dare say.

IMHO and I guess that of the board is it is not in the best of our football club for him to be operating in this way for us at this time.
It is in the best interests of our club for him to take a breath when he is simply being questioned, not continuously respond with over the top vicious verbal attacks.

Example B: Look at the Shane Warne charity farce, he kept 'joking' about making life tough for everyone at The Age, rather than question if maybe they were not operating as ethically as they should have been.

[King Monkey]

If it wasn't so disturbing it would be one of the funniest things I've heard/read.

Jack Reiwoldt and Richmond surely can't be taking this stance with straight faces whilst Dusty Chopstick runs around having the best season of his career to date.

[5 from the wing on debut]

The world is also full of bullies who like to threaten people who have done nothing wrong.

It is never right to shoot your mouth off with threats to harm/kill/punish based on you being physically financially or socially stronger.

That is the link here to DV - that these threats should not be treated casually.
All the experts tell us there is a national culture that requires severe questioning and remedying. That is what is happening here.

It has been well documented by many media professionals that people are scared of taking on Eddie.
Eddie has willingly fed this perception of him. It has become part of his self identity I would dare say.

IMHO and I guess that of the board is it is not in the best of our football club for him to be operating in this way for us at this time.
It is in the best interests of our club for him to take a breath when he is simply being questioned, not continuously respond with over the top vicious verbal attacks.

Example B: Look at the Shane Warne charity farce, he kept 'joking' about making life tough for everyone at The Age, rather than question if maybe they were not operating as ethically as they should have been.

If the experts believe there is a national culture of domestic violence then I really doubt that they are experts. Domestic violence is not part of my culture. It is not part of the culture of my family, friends or associates. It is a criminal offence though and every offender would presumably know that. Whilst it is no doubt a serious issue, to say that domestic violence is part of the national culture is ridiculous, and in my view far more damaging than what Eddie said. To portray that everyone is doing it is counterproductive to the message as it allows the perpetrators to rationalise their actions by believing that it is not abnormal.

[schuey07]

The world is also full of bullies who like to threaten people who have done nothing wrong.

It is never right to shoot your mouth off with threats to harm/kill/punish based on you being physically financially or socially stronger.

That is the link here to DV - that these threats should not be treated casually.
All the experts tell us there is a national culture that requires severe questioning and remedying. That is what is happening here.

It has been well documented by many media professionals that people are scared of taking on Eddie.
Eddie has willingly fed this perception of him. It has become part of his self identity I would dare say.

IMHO and I guess that of the board is it is not in the best of our football club for him to be operating in this way for us at this time.
It is in the best interests of our club for him to take a breath when he is simply being questioned, not continuously respond with over the top vicious verbal attacks.

Example B: Look at the Shane Warne charity farce, he kept 'joking' about making life tough for everyone at The Age, rather than question if maybe they were not operating as ethically as they should have been.

If the experts believe there is a national culture of domestic violence then I really doubt that they are experts. Domestic violence is not part of my culture. It is not part of the culture of my family, friends or associates. It is a criminal offence though and every offender would presumably know that. Whilst it is no doubt a serious issue, to say that domestic violence is part of the national culture is ridiculous, and in my view far more damaging than what Eddie said. To portray that everyone is doing it is counterproductive to the message as it allows the perpetrators to rationalise their actions by believing that it is not abnormal.

This is spot on. They way it's made out, it's as if you turn every corner and someone is on the receiving end of domestic violence.

[CarringbushCigar]

Sorry I didn't mean that there was a national culture of domestic violence.
What I was thinking was that the experts want to shift the behaviour across our nation.

For example that we all take a step towards questioning whether such language is appropriate - and taking away "it's just a joke/it's only a threat/it's only words" as an excuse.

Or if u overhear any violence occurring more people respond, rather than accept that that is what is occuring is a part of that relationship - or not my business, or I won't be alone if i take a stand here.

Moving the nation 5% more towards calling shit out, and less threatening behaviours has got to be a good thing.

Eddie's joke or struggle to find the appropriate apology was not out of character and there are many calling it out.
Eddie may really learn this time and little doubt be the better for it.

[RudeBoy]

Let's stop all this BS. I'm fed up with this PC obsession by well off, well paid and highly educated f*ckwits. Under the guise of caring for people's feelings, this Feminazi group make a massive amount of noise about a stupid joke, while sitting back as dozens of Indigenous women are murdered each year in drunken/drug fueled assaults in completely broken communities. What are these 'do-gooders' doing about this?

Fact 1 - Wilson's whole media career is based on her being an attack dog, exposing and criticising people in the AFL.

Fact 2 - She is despised by most footy fans and club officials.

Fact 3 - Because she is a woman should not prevent her being the subject of a stupid joke or of out and out ridicule.

Fact 4 - If the same joke had been made about Robbo, then no-one would bat an eye. In fact, after his disgusting drug 'expose' I recall Eddie mentioning something like "there's a few Collingwood players who'd like to rearrange his face for him if he wants to drop in to the Holden Centre". Was there a furore over this? Certainly not.

BTW, I'm an inner city lefty with a PhD, so not all of us are infantile and pathetic PC numbskulls.

[Piesnchess]

^ and aren't these so called journos supposed to be hard nosed journos, with a tough skin, make snide and personal attacks themselves, like Caro, but when a tiny bit comes back, she turns into a shrinking violet. ??



Give me a break. !

[think positive]

Let's stop all this BS. I'm fed up with this PC obsession by well off, well paid and highly educated f*ckwits. Under the guise of caring for people's feelings, this Feminazi group make a massive amount of noise about a stupid joke, while sitting back as dozens of Indigenous women are murdered each year in drunken/drug fueled assaults in completely broken communities. What are these 'do-gooders' doing about this?

Fact 1 - Wilson's whole media career is based on her being an attack dog, exposing and criticising people in the AFL.

Fact 2 - She is despised by most footy fans and club officials.

Fact 3 - Because she is a woman should not prevent her being the subject of a stupid joke or of out and out ridicule.

Fact 4 - If the same joke had been made about Robbo, then no-one would bat an eye. In fact, after his disgusting drug 'expose' I recall Eddie mentioning something like "there's a few Collingwood players who'd like to rearrange his face for him if he wants to drop in to the Holden Centre". Was there a furore over this? Certainly not.

BTW, I'm an inner city lefty with a PhD, so not all of us are infantile and pathetic PC numbskulls.

I feel the need to stand and applaud!

[5 from the wing on debut]

Let's stop all this BS. I'm fed up with this PC obsession by well off, well paid and highly educated f*ckwits. Under the guise of caring for people's feelings, this Feminazi group make a massive amount of noise about a stupid joke, while sitting back as dozens of Indigenous women are murdered each year in drunken/drug fueled assaults in completely broken communities. What are these 'do-gooders' doing about this?

Fact 1 - Wilson's whole media career is based on her being an attack dog, exposing and criticising people in the AFL.

Fact 2 - She is despised by most footy fans and club officials.

Fact 3 - Because she is a woman should not prevent her being the subject of a stupid joke or of out and out ridicule.

Fact 4 - If the same joke had been made about Robbo, then no-one would bat an eye. In fact, after his disgusting drug 'expose' I recall Eddie mentioning something like "there's a few Collingwood players who'd like to rearrange his face for him if he wants to drop in to the Holden Centre". Was there a furore over this? Certainly not.

BTW, I'm an inner city lefty with a PhD, so not all of us are infantile and pathetic PC numbskulls.

I am a semi rural mostly right winger with only a Masters but I agree with you 100%

[September Zeros]

The world is also full of bullies who like to threaten people who have done nothing wrong.

It is never right to shoot your mouth off with threats to harm/kill/punish based on you being physically financially or socially stronger.

That is the link here to DV - that these threats should not be treated casually.
All the experts tell us there is a national culture that requires severe questioning and remedying. That is what is happening here.

It has been well documented by many media professionals that people are scared of taking on Eddie.
Eddie has willingly fed this perception of him. It has become part of his self identity I would dare say.

IMHO and I guess that of the board is it is not in the best of our football club for him to be operating in this way for us at this time.
It is in the best interests of our club for him to take a breath when he is simply being questioned, not continuously respond with over the top vicious verbal attacks.

Example B: Look at the Shane Warne charity farce, he kept 'joking' about making life tough for everyone at The Age, rather than question if maybe they were not operating as ethically as they should have been.

Hog wash!

This was not a threat. It was Joke. End of.

There is no link to DV what so ever other than fabricated / trending now rubbish that gets shoved down peoples throat in accordance with media agendas. And don't be daft and think there isn't an underlying agenda here.

Next week we'll all be talking about the next "outrage" and the trending now social media will have us adorning our facebook pages with another countries flag colours or the gay pride rainbow... again etc etc etc until we move on to yet the next thing that's popular to be outraged about.

Meanwhile DV remains at all time high levels. And battered wives remain battered because its not "trendy" anymore to care. Just ask the poor old farmers who for one week managed to get us all to boycott certain milk brands, before most forgot about that cause too and started looking after the old hip pocket again.

And the agenda? Caroline Wilson is not crying herself to sleep over this, she is loving every minute of it. Her feelings aren't hurt, she couldn't be in a better place. She has Eddie right where she wants him. Squirming.

The mere fact Eddie alone is fronting the brunt of this while the others barely cop a mention should sound alarm bells. He's been fair and squarely targeted in this.

Her 3AW team- no comment. Why. Not the agenda that's why.

The fact this has become about DV is an utter load of clear undiluted bulltwang IMO.

I've had our workplace become a white ribbon accredited workplace and I listen astutely to frequent seminars on the topic. Because for us here its a 24/7 365 issue. We are a safe house- not just when it suits, not just when it's trending- all the time. I am the sole male in a group of 20 and its been an eye opener and an education in many many respects.

But.....

Linking this crap to the cause does nothing for it what so ever. In fact it may well do more harm than good, confusing real issues with pretend rubbish.

Spare me your crocodile tears and trending sympathy, Bill Shorten, Spare me Gillon, spare me Richmond footy club (gag) and most of all spare me Caroline Wilson. It just doesn't wash with me.

Annnnnnnndd......im out.

[mgh3536]

Do people honestly believe that Eddie Mcguire wishes any harm to Caroline Wilson? Do you honestly believe there was any intent of malice toward Caroline Wilson? Eddie Mcguire does more in a week to help aid support victims of homelessness and poverty than most of us do in a lifetime!!

The boorish comment and Caroline Wilson victim response are equally wrong. At the heart of this is a dislike between two Melbourne journalists one made a stupid comment the other demeaned the topic of domestic violence by letting the cheerleaders in the grandstand take this in a direction that was never intended.

To condone Tony Shaw's comments and say that she saw the glint in his mischievous eyes is just appalling either a comment is in or out... perhaps she should also look at the innocuous comment from Eddie and assess in the same terms, by the way both are wrong but to condone one and not the other is to me the biggest part of this whole episode, then falsely let the domestic violence bandwagon gather impetus on the back of dislike for one another is just blatantly wrong.

Eddie Mcguire is an evolving man that has not intentionally or deliberately hurt Caroline Wilson, her calculating response in deliberately running up the domestic violence flag or allowing others to do her bidding, has made the subject even more difficult to tackle and understand.

Tony Shaw was in tears as he did not know what he had done wrong, there are perpetrators of domestic violence who know what they are doing, there are women who create an environment when men who do not have the tools to deal with the situation are put, there are men who commit suicide and have others with their lives in ruins because of women manipulation of the situation.... a lot more intervention and understanding is required not finger pointing from the grandstand!

No one condones domestic violence but no one should confuse the feigning of hurt caused by Eddie as nothing more than a dislike of each other as journalists and Caroline Wilson and her cheerleaders, need to get a grip on reality, stop sitting in the grandstand and get on the field and get involved!

For me it was the Rose Batty interview on Triple mmm that created awareness, it was Eddies support of Rose Batty and her plight and mission that helped elevate awareness, these actions were done from the heart, judge the man on his deeds and actions, not in a spat between two journalists who, it seems, have a professional dislike for each other, nothing to do with domestic violence.

There are men and women who want to hurt each other, discern through actions where to draw the line!

[Al Swearengen]

Do people honestly believe that Eddie Mcguire wishes any harm to Caroline Wilson? Do you honestly believe there was any intent of malice toward Caroline Wilson? Eddie Mcguire does more in a week to help aid support victims of homelessness and poverty than most of us do in a lifetime!!

The boorish comment and Caroline Wilson victim response are equally wrong. At the heart of this is a dislike between two Melbourne journalists one made a stupid comment the other demeaned the topic of domestic violence by letting the cheerleaders in the grandstand take this in a direction that was never intended.

To condone Tony Shaw's comments and say that she saw the glint in his mischievous eyes is just appalling either a comment is in or out... perhaps she should also look at the innocuous comment from Eddie and assess in the same terms, by the way both are wrong but to condone one and not the other is to me the biggest part of this whole episode, then falsely let the domestic violence bandwagon gather impetus on the back of dislike for one another is just blatantly wrong.

Eddie Mcguire is an evolving man that has not intentionally or deliberately hurt Caroline Wilson, her calculating response in deliberately running up the domestic violence flag or allowing others to do her bidding, has made the subject even more difficult to tackle and understand.

Tony Shaw was in tears as he did not know what he had done wrong, there are perpetrators of domestic violence who know what they are doing, there are women who create an environment when men who do not have the tools to deal with the situation are put, there are men who commit suicide and have others with their lives in ruins because of women manipulation of the situation.... a lot more intervention and understanding is required not finger pointing from the grandstand!

No one condones domestic violence but no one should confuse the feigning of hurt caused by Eddie as nothing more than a dislike of each other as journalists and Caroline Wilson and her cheerleaders, need to get a grip on reality, stop sitting in the grandstand and get on the field and get involved!

For me it was the Rose Batty interview on Triple mmm that created awareness, it was Eddies support of Rose Batty and her plight and mission that helped elevate awareness, these actions were done from the heart, judge the man on his deeds and actions, not in a spat between two journalists who, it seems, have a professional dislike for each other, nothing to do with domestic violence.

There are men and women who want to hurt each other, discern through actions where to draw the line!

GREAT post!

[Piesnchess]

Do people honestly believe that Eddie Mcguire wishes any harm to Caroline Wilson? Do you honestly believe there was any intent of malice toward Caroline Wilson? Eddie Mcguire does more in a week to help aid support victims of homelessness and poverty than most of us do in a lifetime!!

The boorish comment and Caroline Wilson victim response are equally wrong. At the heart of this is a dislike between two Melbourne journalists one made a stupid comment the other demeaned the topic of domestic violence by letting the cheerleaders in the grandstand take this in a direction that was never intended.

To condone Tony Shaw's comments and say that she saw the glint in his mischievous eyes is just appalling either a comment is in or out... perhaps she should also look at the innocuous comment from Eddie and assess in the same terms, by the way both are wrong but to condone one and not the other is to me the biggest part of this whole episode, then falsely let the domestic violence bandwagon gather impetus on the back of dislike for one another is just blatantly wrong.

Eddie Mcguire is an evolving man that has not intentionally or deliberately hurt Caroline Wilson, her calculating response in deliberately running up the domestic violence flag or allowing others to do her bidding, has made the subject even more difficult to tackle and understand.

Tony Shaw was in tears as he did not know what he had done wrong, there are perpetrators of domestic violence who know what they are doing, there are women who create an environment when men who do not have the tools to deal with the situation are put, there are men who commit suicide and have others with their lives in ruins because of women manipulation of the situation.... a lot more intervention and understanding is required not finger pointing from the grandstand!

No one condones domestic violence but no one should confuse the feigning of hurt caused by Eddie as nothing more than a dislike of each other as journalists and Caroline Wilson and her cheerleaders, need to get a grip on reality, stop sitting in the grandstand and get on the field and get involved!

For me it was the Rose Batty interview on Triple mmm that created awareness, it was Eddies support of Rose Batty and her plight and mission that helped elevate awareness, these actions were done from the heart, judge the man on his deeds and actions, not in a spat between two journalists who, it seems, have a professional dislike for each other, nothing to do with domestic violence.

There are men and women who want to hurt each other, discern through actions where to draw the line!

Well said, you said it all, and if I were eddie, id throw it right back at Wilson and say, "Look Caro, tell you what, at the next ice challenge, I will go down the slide before you, then you come down, and hold me under in the cold ice for a few seconds, how about it, fair enough "? THEN, see how she responds to that. IF she really wants to help Neil daniher and his cause, how can she decline

[Neil Appleby]

Do people honestly believe that Eddie Mcguire wishes any harm to Caroline Wilson? Do you honestly believe there was any intent of malice toward Caroline Wilson? Eddie Mcguire does more in a week to help aid support victims of homelessness and poverty than most of us do in a lifetime!!

The boorish comment and Caroline Wilson victim response are equally wrong. At the heart of this is a dislike between two Melbourne journalists one made a stupid comment the other demeaned the topic of domestic violence by letting the cheerleaders in the grandstand take this in a direction that was never intended.

To condone Tony Shaw's comments and say that she saw the glint in his mischievous eyes is just appalling either a comment is in or out... perhaps she should also look at the innocuous comment from Eddie and assess in the same terms, by the way both are wrong but to condone one and not the other is to me the biggest part of this whole episode, then falsely let the domestic violence bandwagon gather impetus on the back of dislike for one another is just blatantly wrong.

Eddie Mcguire is an evolving man that has not intentionally or deliberately hurt Caroline Wilson, her calculating response in deliberately running up the domestic violence flag or allowing others to do her bidding, has made the subject even more difficult to tackle and understand.

Tony Shaw was in tears as he did not know what he had done wrong, there are perpetrators of domestic violence who know what they are doing, there are women who create an environment when men who do not have the tools to deal with the situation are put, there are men who commit suicide and have others with their lives in ruins because of women manipulation of the situation.... a lot more intervention and understanding is required not finger pointing from the grandstand!

No one condones domestic violence but no one should confuse the feigning of hurt caused by Eddie as nothing more than a dislike of each other as journalists and Caroline Wilson and her cheerleaders, need to get a grip on reality, stop sitting in the grandstand and get on the field and get involved!

For me it was the Rose Batty interview on Triple mmm that created awareness, it was Eddies support of Rose Batty and her plight and mission that helped elevate awareness, these actions were done from the heart, judge the man on his deeds and actions, not in a spat between two journalists who, it seems, have a professional dislike for each other, nothing to do with domestic violence.

There are men and women who want to hurt each other, discern through actions where to draw the line!

Thank you. Well said.

[CarringbushCigar]

I think we are all close to being in heated agreement here.

But I don't think this has anything to do with Caroline Wilson.

It's the comments and who they came from, regardless of who they were said to.
Eddie is a powerful and somewhat feared national figure who led the boys on the MMM conversation. That's why Frawley, Shaw, Brayshaw are not being discussed as much, and they all expressed their regret for their part in this conversation a little better than Ed.