The Hydra ~ Caro rears her head again

[think positive]

TP I've been following the Pies since dad started taking me to dear old Vic Park in 1964 and I can assure you that will never happen because the AFL and the media will never give us an even break.

We talk so much about culture in clubs but there has been an overriding culture in the VFL/AFL as long as I have been surpporting the Pies and that is quite simply 'stick it to the Pies at every possible opportunity'.

The media hacks do the same, whilst both the AFL and media use us as cash cows to prop up their bottom lines.

Zoning rules have been changed to disadvantage the club, playing rules likewise and quite recently. Whenever Collingwood start to dominate they start moving the goal posts and that is never going to change.

Every crappy 4th hand rumour, every bitter little malcontent, every half researched factoid are all grist to the hate Collingwood mill.

So it has always been, so it will always be.

OMG!! OMG!! This is absolutely spot on.

I so wish the younger magpie posters here can read this and understand the VFL/AFL and hack media hatred for us......

You can call it believing in conspiracies, the tooth fairy or all that utter bloody crap but personal experience is to be owned and expressed, not suppressed and forgotten about.
Give me a dollar for every anti Collingwood media comment that I have read/heard/seen since 1970 and it will just be like winning tattslotto for me.
That is why to this day, I despise the hack media that make up about 90%. I simply tolerate the rest - just or ignore the bastards...............

even at the basest of levels. the Mick Gayfer rule, the Steve McKee rule, the use of interchange are simply three examples where they changed the rules simply to stop something that was proving successful for the pies.

Meanwhile, its taken more than 10 years to address the Duckwood Rule and it still isn't being enforced against Duckwood himself. in that case, the league was told that players had to learn to tackle better.

I hate Selwood, I even have a duck whistle for him, but he is ducking like he used to, he simply drops and lifts his arm, so the tackle slips, I don't know why more players don't lift the arm, basically you need to tackle tighter.

Honestly though, how can anyone defend this if it's true? Pretend he's at another club. Much as I'd like to see his iron hand take on our board, I'd prefer it wasn't tarnished.

[Culprit]

Plenty of speculation. To convict on speculation will be interesting. To convict on evidence will be what is required. Present the evidence (not hearsay) and Gubby is gone.

[5150]

Caro reminds me of that annoying librarian who sneaks up behind you and tells you that "you've been a naughty naughty boy"

I have an old VHS tape from the 80's like that.

Librarian pulls the pencil out of her tied up hair to release her long blonde locks, removes her drab brown pants and cardigan to reveal some sexy lace lingerie.... then... DAMN VHS TAPE...

On second thought... I think we are not on the same wavelength...

[Cam]

I don't know anything but here is another possible scenario.

Lachie has a big night with a couple of ladies and his GF finds out.
She grills him or finds out they were doing some coke, Wolf of Wall Street style.

She is wild and emails the club after telling Lachie he is cooked because she is going to contact ASADA.
Lachie is freaking out so contacts Lambert and Gubby for help.

Gubby realises the kid is under stress from the gf and for Lachie's mental health he should go to Lambert's house for some chill time, primarily to get rid of his stress and keep him away from the gf attacks.

Everyone knows the chances of PED's in coke or E's is not high.

I've deleted most of my texts and emails from girls making trouble under the pretence of helping out.

Now to be known as the Whitfield defence.

Realistic scenario as well.

[Krakouer Magic]

Don't you think what Gubby did was Grubby? I can't see how or why he should get away with hiding a player from drug testing. What Wilson says is very light in my opinion.

Potential version of events.

Kid comes to him, says he's taken some coke and is shit frightened it may have been laced with PED's. Doesn't want to go home in case the random drug testers show up. No idea if they have him on their list, if they will show up or not, kids having a panic attack over a 1 in 1000 chance.

So you say to him he can stay for a day or two and proceed to use that time to lecture him til his ears bleed about staying away from drugs.

Did you hide him from drug testers? Only potentially. They never showed up at his door looking for him, so you never really hid him. Just in his mind did you make him safe.

Gubby would have known damn well that if the testers did show up at the kids house looking for him and no one was home, the club would have heard about it and got a please explain damn quick. They didn't, he took a risk and maybe put a kid on a better track.

If this is what happened without the alleged deleting of text messages and emails than it would probably be OK, but if what is being reported is even remotely true than I reckon Mr Allen could be in trouble. The problem we have here is that ASADA don't need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that an offence has been committed, they just need to prove that it was probable that an offence was committed.

Caro is probably right is saying he'll cop six months. Will probably be offered a deal ala Cronulla Sharks. But if he chooses to push back and fight like Essendon expect ASADA and ultimately WADA to push for the max. Once these guys paint an 'X' on your back you're generally screwed as it's up to you to prove your innocence rather than them proving your guilt.

And don't expect lawyers to get involved should he be suspended, Australian courts are loathed to overturn these types of decisions, as we saw with Essnedon and Jimbo Hird's two trips to the federal court. Even Formula one couldn't get around a CAS ruling and was forced to settle with a disgruntled driver before they were allowed to race in Australia a couple of years ago.

Maybe I'm jumping he gun and hopefully we wake up in a couple weeks with a 'no case to answer', I just have a feeling we won't be that fortunate.

It's an illicit drug and mental health issue. ASADA have known about this since the ex girlfriend contacted them in July 2015. They've done nothing. It really has been blown out of proportion by AFL and media. The guy was paranoid (mental health issue), and potentially coming down (illicit drug issue), thinking he might have mistakenly ingested a banned substance. Honestly, what's the club gonna do? "Well mate come in and we'll test ya and hopefully you jut get a strike... or you test positive for what Thomas and Keefe had and you'all get a 2 year banned"?

If Whitfield went to the club doctor and said "hey mate took some dodgey coke which could be laced with a banned substance". The doctor would say "well don't play for 3 weeks till it's all out of your system and let's say you're dealing with depression, that way you avoid being tested".

The only thing that's wrong is Gubby not following the correct process to an illicit drug policy and procedure that 1. the AFL Players agreed too on a voluntary basis; and 2. The illicit drugs policy is probably a dogs breakfast which is why it remains secret and not in the public domain.

[piedys]

Caro reminds me of that annoying librarian who sneaks up behind you and tells you that "you've been a naughty naughty boy"

I have an old VHS tape from the 80's like that.

Librarian pulls the pencil out of her tied up hair to release her long blonde locks, removes her drab brown pants and cardigan to reveal some sexy lace lingerie.... then... DAMN VHS TAPE...

Oh look - just give us the title and we'll search TPB for the torrent.
Too much fart-arsing around to transfer VHS onto the hard-drive sometimes.

[Dave The Man]

Looks like he is Guilty and only how long he will be Suspended For

[5150]

Caro reminds me of that annoying librarian who sneaks up behind you and tells you that "you've been a naughty naughty boy"

I have an old VHS tape from the 80's like that.

Librarian pulls the pencil out of her tied up hair to release her long blonde locks, removes her drab brown pants and cardigan to reveal some sexy lace lingerie.... then... DAMN VHS TAPE...

Oh look - just give us the title and we'll search TPB for the torrent.
Too much fart-arsing around to transfer VHS onto the hard-drive sometimes.

It's called Booty Classified...

I'll show myself out.

[BEAMER09]

This from a journo who is:

* too scared to have a twitter account

* turns up at the Carbine Club with her father during the week even though 12 months ago she played the "women card" about them having "NO" female members in an Age feature article

* failed to apologise to Dane Swan re the "Pies are going to trade you end of 2013" crap

Caro reminds me of that annoying librarian who sneaks up behind you and tells you that "you've been a naughty naughty boy"

Caro keep smoking your 40 Winny Blues a day and stop thinking you are the moral compass.

Speaking about reminds me - yes she still reminds me of Wilhelmina W. Witchiepoo (splitting image)...

[Member 7167]

Plenty of speculation. To convict on speculation will be interesting. To convict on evidence will be what is required. Present the evidence (not hearsay) and Gubby is gone.

But we do not know what the evidence is and that being the case how can you state he is gone. Your comment is just speculation once again. Let's just sit back and see what is tabled before we condemn anyone.

[Collingwood Crackerjack]

I have an old VHS tape from the 80's like that.

Librarian pulls the pencil out of her tied up hair to release her long blonde locks, removes her drab brown pants and cardigan to reveal some sexy lace lingerie.... then... DAMN VHS TAPE...

Oh look - just give us the title and we'll search TPB for the torrent.
Too much fart-arsing around to transfer VHS onto the hard-drive sometimes.

It's called Booty Classified...

I'll show myself out.

Surely 'Booty Catalogued' would be a more appropriate title

[DT]

Nothing will happen. AFL don't have the power to sanction Gubby for what is probably a murky set of facts

[AN_Inkling]

Nothing will happen. AFL don't have the power to sanction Gubby for what is probably a murky set of facts

The AFL do. ASADA doesn't.

[thesoretoothsayer]

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/footy- ... 918e82a40d

1. Eddie loves to bear a grudge (and in public as well).
Not sure how well that fits in with his role as El Presidente.

2. Everyone sees the game differently.
(Just look at the Blair/Sidey threads on this board)
Caro is entitled to vote for who she wants.

3. Tired of journalists who fling poo around getting on their high horse when some comes back their way. Caro is the master of this.

4. I think there's some simmering sexual tension here.
But I'm sure both will deny it.

[Damien]

Where's Swanny on social media when you need him?