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OK I'll try not to do sneering Hal so much.
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It is not the reporter's job to "fact check" whether what the prosecution says in opening to the jury was accurate - that's the purpose of having a trial and letting a jury decide. The journalist's responsibility is to (do their best to) report accurately that which was said in Court.
Here's the Sky news coverage:
https://news.sky.com/story/finsbury-par ... t-11232079

It refers to Osborne receiving "an automated mailing list email".
It also states: "Prosecutor Jonathan Rees QC said it was not suggested the message was sent directly from Mr Robinson."

It doesn't seem that hard to clarify the nature of the interaction between Robinson and Osborne.
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Whilst you have said a lot I don't feel you've said anything that addresses my point. Is this a standard legal tactic?
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thesoretoothsayer wrote:Whilst you have said a lot I don't feel you've said anything that addresses my point. Is this a standard legal tactic?
I feel ever so slightly like I am in a game of Whack a Mole. I think you had best carry on without me.
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^
interesting metaphor

kind of reminds me of the masked bike lock attacker.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qKCl9NL1Cg
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I'm still amazed that the 4chan autists were able to (allegedly) identify this guy. A adjunct philosophy professor who taught:
introduction to philosophy with a background in teaching ethics, critical thinking and comparative philosophy East/West
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Probably a Kantian.
"Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange
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Two more flags before I die!
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For those of you who want to read the first judgment while we wait for the second one to be published, here it is:

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/upl ... 170522.pdf

It's short and the discussion of the legal position is simple. Her Honour gave a very helpful indication as to precisely what it was that the defendant could never do again.

Anyway, the site from which that transcript is taken has a helpful link to UK contempt decisions. As it happens that May 2017 judgment is now well down the list (because people get sentenced for contempt with regularity in the UK). The same day, though, a defendant was sent to jail for 6 months (not suspended) for breaching undertakings (given, it would appear, in a very different context) the previous day: https://www.judiciary.uk/publications/c ... ool-nawaz/

Here's the main link: https://www.judiciary.uk/subject/contempt-of-court/
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Thanks. The original conviction seems pretty clear cut.
As mentioned previously, I don't believe the judiciary have it in for Robinson.
In fact, they've thrown out police cases against him:
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 84f7f1fcb1
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Wouldn't it be difficult to walk down our streets if there were thousands marching for every appropriately convicted repeat felon? Chumps.
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Agreed. We need to have a Chinese attitude toward these protesters. Bring in the tanks.
Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down.
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"Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange
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