Post inauguration Trump:

[stui magpie]

^

I wouldn't go that far.

It has some excellent parts and some very shit parts but it's a system that's evolved with no planning and can't directly compare to the UK or AUS systems

[Wokko]

People will travel there from 'universal healthcare' countries for treatment. I mean yeah, you pay for it but everyone with a decent job over there has insurance.

If you need the best care you go to the USA.

Poor people there still get urgent care, doctors can't refuse treatment. They just don't get it in a solo room at a private hospital, they have to go to county hospitals.

The USA because of their system is where almost all the medical innovation happens, sure their system is far from perfect, but people thinking it's a third world shithole are just parroting propaganda.

[David]

[stui magpie]

I'm a fan of the concept that anyone can get dragged into an ED and get treated without getting a bill. That doesn't happen in the USA but that's not how their system evolved.

If you do some research into their system, it's whacked. They get some brilliant research and teaching outcomes and some horrible care outcomes for the poor, while you have some people in the system drawing down some very serious coin (and others getting far call)

Sanders glib medicare for all was a great slogan, but a logistical and financial quicksand whirlpool.

[think positive]

Whatever has happened in China is irrelevant to Trump’s culpability. By my estimation, the US just ticked over 1,000,000 cases of COVID-19.

You don’t get 6,803 deaths from 270,000 cases in a functional health system. The true figure is likely to be well over 1,030,000, as I write.

i doubt any american would tell you they have a functioning health care system

We clearly move in different circles when in the States. I have spoken to people adamant that their health system is fine

thats because they havent experienced a good one, or rather, a free one.

the care might be great, probably the best, but only if you can afford it

i remember on the ship to mexico a lady and her hubby were on their daughters honeymoon because the hubby got sick, i cant remember what it was, and they just could not afford to go away. the prices she quoted for basic tests were terrifying. i thought MRIs used to be expensive! And also the fact that the parents had saved for a different trip, which they would now not make for another 5 years, as they had to pay their daughter and hubby for the cruise tickets - they had a basic cabin, about $500aus each.

[think positive]

[David]

[pietillidie]

[pietillidie]

I see Captain Moon Unit just removed the bloke overseeing the 2T+ and replaced him with a fawning hack:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytime ... e.amp.html

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4915 ... rus-relief

Talk about a crumbling empire in thrall to a corrupt head case. Is there anyone talented left within 100 miles of government? The amount of corruption the bloke will carry out under the cover of Coronavirus doesn't bear thinking. I only wish the rest of us weren't financially downstream from the Toxic Turd.

[pietillidie]

I personally blame the irresponsible morons who elected a reality TV joke to the most serious position in the world. It's a farce now realised in the most tragic way imaginable.

The United States is on trajectory to suffer more sickness, more dying, and more economic harm from this virus than any other comparably developed country.

That the pandemic occurred is not Trump’s fault. The utter unpreparedness of the United States for a pandemic is Trump’s fault. The loss of stockpiled respirators to breakage because the federal government let maintenance contracts lapse in 2018 is Trump’s fault. The failure to store sufficient protective medical gear in the national arsenal is Trump’s fault. That states are bidding against other states for equipment, paying many multiples of the precrisis price for ventilators, is Trump’s fault. Air travelers summoned home and forced to stand for hours in dense airport crowds alongside infected people? That was Trump’s fault too. Ten weeks of insisting that the coronavirus is a harmless flu that would miraculously go away on its own? Trump’s fault again. The refusal of red-state governors to act promptly, the failure to close Florida and Gulf Coast beaches until late March? That fault is more widely shared, but again, responsibility rests with Trump: He could have stopped it, and he did not.

The lying about the coronavirus by hosts on Fox News and conservative talk radio is Trump’s fault: They did it to protect him. The false hope of instant cures and nonexistent vaccines is Trump’s fault, because he told those lies to cover up his failure to act in time. The severity of the economic crisis is Trump’s fault; things would have been less bad if he had acted faster instead of sending out his chief economic adviser and his son Eric to assure Americans that the first stock-market dips were buying opportunities. The firing of a Navy captain for speaking truthfully about the virus’s threat to his crew? Trump’s fault. The fact that so many key government jobs were either empty or filled by mediocrities? Trump’s fault. The insertion of Trump’s arrogant and incompetent son-in-law as commander in chief of the national medical supply chain? Trump’s fault.

For three years, Trump has blathered and bluffed and bullied his way through an office for which he is utterly inadequate. But sooner or later, every president must face a supreme test, a test that cannot be evaded by blather and bluff and bullying. That test has overwhelmed Trump.

Trump failed. He is failing. He will continue to fail. And Americans are paying for his failures.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatl ... le/609532/

[Pies4shaw]

Everything about him is biggest and best:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-08/ ... 1/12131472

[think positive]

[stui magpie]

[David]

[Tannin]

^Dream on Comrade!