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Prelim data on p.6 looking very ugly for Captain Coronavirus and his vacuous twin, Bozo the Brexit clown. Compare them to serious leadership in Moon from South Korea, a country which has a far denser population, is a stone's throw from China, is still significantly less wealthy, and hasn't blamed the WHO like Dithering Denialist Donald:

https://www.niesr.ac.uk/publications/pr ... eak-update

And South Korea doesn't have monumental Brexit losses, massive billionaire tax cut deficits, overheated market prices and crippling national instability and mismanagement to deal with once this is all said and done.
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It's seriously shocking.

Earlier in the week, he was asserting that he had total authority to determine when restrictions should be eased and how. It seems that he has realised that if he were to make such directives, he could be said to be directly liable for the inevitable increase in death rates that would follow. So, he has backed off from taking actual responsibility but has decided that sniping from a distance is a good re-election strategy, albeit - of course - a woefully poor leadership strategy.

Amongst the places he has specifically tweeted should be "liberated" is Michigan, which already has nearly 5 times the number of cases in the whole of Australia (and probably many times more than that), 35 times the total deaths we have had here and, overnight, twice the deaths that Australia has had since the pandemic commenced. This is just a terrible, terrible approach. His delays and inaction have already killed tens of thousands of people and this strategy risks killing many times that.

The lack of basic morality and decency is enough to make me actually weep.

I also want to stress that I don't believe this is a "political" criticism. I have no such criticisms of the Australian Government, despite the fact that I don't support them politically, either. Trump's dealing with all of this has been and is, I think, just wicked. It smacks of deliberate serial-killing by an elected official.
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^ Two excellent posts which it is difficult to disagree with on any major point.

(In this context, I'll regard Pies4shaw's curious absolution of Morrison, Australia's own mini-Trump, as a minor point. Our success thus far, obviously, is largely down to the state leaders, with Morrison dodging responsibility for the massive stuff-ups (open borders far too long, Ruby Princess) and claiming credit for the successes (social distancing laws, school closures, and so on).
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"Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange
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This is a stunning animation of Captain Coronavirus' deadly denial, dithering and deranged recklessness.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/0 ... ed-charts/

All that death just so a malignant narcissist could feel good about himself. It's grandiose on a scale that would make famed murderous tyrants proud. There's blood on those tiny hands that no amount of compulsive scrubbing will remove.
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The twisted megalomaniac plays golf, holds rallies, tweets endless garbage and self praise, seeks revenge on enemies, has love ins with Fox and fans, and maintains his fake tan and cringeworthy yellow comb around while the problem escalates.

What a self-entitled piece of dog faeces. People lose their jobs for far less than this without killing people. This is immediate dismissal and criminal negligence charges in any normal work context.
Forbes wrote:From January 18, when it was reported that he received his first substantial briefing on the coronavirus, through February 25 when the Director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases said, “we need to be preparing for significant disruption in our lives”, people ranging from the Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar and economic advisor Peter Navarro told Trump or wrote memos that there could be a pandemic.

During this timeframe through March 8 Trump played golf five times and held seven campaign rallies.. He said that the coronavirus was “totally under control” and that “the 15 cases within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.” He stated, “It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear” and “I don’t take responsibility at all.”
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The time has come to talk seriously about what I have only mentioned rather fancifully in the past, as a remote but not entirely impossible chance. It's getting less remote by the day: the possibility, now very real, of a second American Civil War. The ingredients are all there.

Just as we saw in 1861, we have a large, highly motivated, delusional minority who have become deaf to reason or evidence, or even common sense.

Just like 1861, the rebellious minority think the present world is the same world that they imagine existed 50 or 100 years ago. Being unable to comprehend and recognise change, instead of adapting they are acting in ways certain to bring it crashing down upon their heads.

Just like 1861, the delusional minority have thrown the rule of law overboard where it doesn't suit them, and perverted it where they can. (For those who don't read history, this describes the 1861 secessionists to a T.)

Just like 1861, there is no credible middle ground. There are the instigators, who are, if not "well-organised" at least more-or-less all on the same page, and there are several conflicting mainstreams of modern liberal thought, nevertheless all fellow travellers to some extent. And in the middle ... nothing sensible or credible. Just like 1861, when the only two really clear messages came from the gun-bearing secessionists and the hard-line abolitionists, there is no voice speaking to and organising the middle ground.

Trump has already openly threatened to suspend both houses of Congress and rule by fiat. We have also seen substantial actions by Trump's supporters in the Republican Party aimed at rigging election results, most recently in Wisconsin. The coincidence of widespread coronavirus and an election year in the US is very scary in this context. And we have 250 million people with 400 million guns.

One difference is that the secessionists in 1861 confidently expected foreign interference, and didn't get it. (The British, major cotton buyers though they were, wavered but eventually stayed out of it.) The current mob, in contrast, firmly believe that there is no foreign interference, will not be, and that they are masters of their own destiny, where the facts show that none of this is true.
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^Thanks for posting that. As you say, it's already obvious what we're dealing with here, but plenty of fools still think it's TV schtick alone. No, this Trumpto the core of his being on and off TV, in public and private.

Just a dangerously ignorant, vindictive, unserious, self-aggrandising and callous pile of faeces who has been allowed to hide behind a cloak of entertainment value for far too long.
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im gunna think of a nice nickname for Julian Assange, i hope everyone is ok with that!
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^ :? There are thousands of people dying due to mismanagement, your assets are being devalued as we speak, and the world economy including your own could be thrown into a deep sustained recession, and that's what you're worried about?

Even worse, the person responsible for failing to manage the crisis and therefore causing sustained death and collapse calls Mexicans rapists, mocks the disabled, here calls desperate refugees terrorists, abuses journalists doing their job almost everyday, and spends hours daily engaging in puerile flame wars despite having the most serious role on the planet that demands every moment of his time.

Go for your life, insult Assange. He certainly shares narcissism in common with Trump, just not as malignantly so, and we know which one is more likely to destroy the planet and turn us all into peasants. Captain Coronavirus is far worse than a pile of dog faeces. He's fast becoming responsible for mass death like George W. before him, and historical tyrants before them.

As night follows day this was always going to happen just as with Afghanistan and Iraq. That's two catastrophes and economic crises at the hands of the same set of voters who have lost the plot and are a danger to us all. Sure, September 11 triggered the first case, and Coronavirus triggered the second, but the deranged responses which followed lie at the feet of Bush and Trump, respectively, and their cadre of enablers and adoring constituencies.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/18/heal ... e=Homepage

An informative no nonsense overview of the current situation in America regarding the COVID-19 pandemic and what the future may hold for them and the rest of us in dealing with it.

Use your Google or Facebook login to create a free account in order to read the article.
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not a bad read. I think they are nuts with their protests, and im not sure if Trump thinks he is spreading hope, but i wish he would get more honest. They are in a world of pain. And it terrifies me what will be left. I have many friends there, some mean a lot to me. Only one agrees with the protesters. I dont think the economy will bounce back for anyone. except maybe China. As much as Trump is coming out with some dooseys, lets not forget who started this and it WAS NOT Trump!
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In late January President Trump was praising China on twitter for it's efforts and transparency in trying to contain Coronavirus. Strange. Was he trying to convey the message that it was business as usual and downplay the economic and health risk?

In early March Boris Johnson was shaking the hands of COVID-19 patients seemingly trying to allay the same fears as Trump. At this stage there was a policy supposedly of implementing herd immunity as a way to combat the pandemic in the UK. Bizarre.

Around the same time Scott Morrison proudly proclaimed he would be attending the opening week of the NRL. He later reversed that decision.

One is left to wonder just how close Australia came under Morrison to being in the same dire situation the UK and USA now find themselves in?

Was it good luck, good leadership, good advice or a likely mixture of all 3?

Our relative isolation from the rest of the world certainly provided us with an advantage and while we are a popular tourist destination in comparison to the US and Europe our numbers are far less.

If the outbreak of COVID-19 in China wasn't enough evidence to the risk of this virus Australia and the US in particular also had the advantage of Italy to forewarn them of the danger to come. The UK due to it's proximity to Europe was in far less fortunate position.

Still Morrison might have been heading in the same direction as Trump and Johnson around the time of the NRL season opener, seemingly more concerned with the economic implication to come than the health one but thankfully somewhere along the way wiser heads prevailed and the government started to take their lead from the expert medical advice they were being provided with.

That is probably the key difference between our Australian government and those in the UK and US until now.

Unlike in the UK Morrison either wasn't presented with or dismissed the notion of herd immunity as an option for controlling COVID-19 while unlike the US our commander in chief , his chief medical officer and the state Premiers have in general been steadfast in portraying a unified and consistent message on the health measures required to limit the spread COVID-19.

Now compare that to Trump who has sunk to a new low of actively encouraging citizen revolt against the social distancing measures in place across a few states all run by Democrats.

I'm no Coalition supporter or Morrison fan but right now it's hard not to argue that the federal government, alongside the state Premiers, our leading medical experts, healthcare professionals, essential workers and Australians in general aren't doing a great job of limiting the spread of COVID-19 and remaining patient with the processes involved to save lives.
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