Post Match. Pies lose to Port. All comments, please.

[shawthing]

Pies handballs to teammates feet, where they have no hands - check.

Absolute GOLD!!!

This has to be in the running for quote of the year.

[Sicks Bux]

Seeing us elect to handball at the centre bounces, when we should've been kicking it long drove me nuts, especially because so many of the handballs were either fumbled by the player who was receiving them or intercepted by Port. I was constantly saying 'Kick the effing thing!'

It's been so prevalent this year it has to be a coaching instruction.

I notice few people on here are addressing the elephant in the room. Buckley and his staff just simply can't coach at this level. Period. I'd love to get Luke Beveridge.

The other baffling thing last night was Buckley's decision to not throw DeGoey on to the ball. He's always been someone we've turned to when we've needed a bit of grunt in the middle. It beggars belief that he wasn't thrown into the middle for one centre bounce, especially when you consider we were getting towelled up in the centre clearances.

[Raw Hammer]

Seeing us elect to handball at the centre bounces, when we should've been kicking it long drove me nuts, especially because so many of the handballs were either fumbled by the player who was receiving them or intercepted by Port. I was constantly saying 'Kick the effing thing!'

It's been so prevalent this year it has to be a coaching instruction.

I notice few people on here are addressing the elephant in the room. Buckley and his staff just simply can't coach at this level. Period. I'd love to get Luke Beveridge.

Take a look at some game day threads on Big Footy. If you think Buckley has no plan B, wait until you read how the Bulldogs brethren feel about their 2016 saviour.

The fact of the matter is, modern football is all systems and structures and set ups and space guarding. Which is why is it VERY hard to throw the pieces around...players in unfamiliar positions just won’t know where to stand to guard that space on the defensive set up. And this is what is ruining Aussie Rules Footy. It’s like watching soccer and asking the coach to put the striker into a half back position. The whole system would fall apart and leak goals. Blame the coaches for this. AFL has turned into an over analysed, over coached eye sore. We had one of the most accessible, interchangeable games in the world. Man on man, maybe drop an extra man in defence, kick long, beat tour man one on one, play hard, all shapes and sizes, etc. Now it is a clinical, shambolic mess, where TURNOVERS generate most goals for every club. Think about that! Watching is no longer fun. It is essentially, pray your team doesn’t stuff up a kick or handball and be punished on the turnover. It’s simply not fun to watch anymore. Goals are so damn hard to manufacture, which makes horror umpiring calls that much more horrible. One or two howlers, and the opposition is gifted the game. One or two defensive howlers, and it’s gam set and match.

What’s the solution? Who the hell knows. But whatever we’re watching right now? This ain’t football. It’s soccer with hands. I love soccer. I love(d) Aussie Rules Football. I do not like whatever it is we’re being subjected to these days.

[PyreneesPie]

The other baffling thing last night was Buckley's decision to not throw DeGoey on to the ball. He's always been someone we've turned to when we've needed a bit of grunt in the middle. It beggars belief that he wasn't thrown into the middle for one centre bounce, especially when you consider we were getting towelled up in the centre clearances.

I was expecting the JDG move too, but perhaps Buck's and co were still wary about his hand injury?

[PyreneesPie]

The fact of the matter is, modern football is all systems and structures and set ups and space guarding. Which is why is it VERY hard to throw the pieces around...players in unfamiliar positions just won’t know where to stand to guard that space on the defensive set up. And this is what is ruining Aussie Rules Footy. ..... Now it is a clinical, shambolic mess, where TURNOVERS generate most goals for every club. Think about that! Watching is no longer fun. It is essentially, pray your team doesn’t stuff up a kick or handball and be punished on the turnover. It’s simply not fun to watch anymore. Goals are so damn hard to manufacture, which makes horror umpiring calls that much more horrible. One or two howlers, and the opposition is gifted the game. One or two defensive howlers, and it’s gam set and match.

All the above is spot on I reckon RH!!!

[Mr Miyagi]

The excess handballing isn’t a coaching thing. Opposition have worked out we don’t handle pressure and getting crowded very well. Buckley said it after the game, it’s concerning how we handball too much when pressured and it’s something they’ve addressed with obviously mixed results. It’s up to the players. Credit to the opposition for pressuring us, flooding and forcing handball mistakes. Watching how slow and lethargic some of our players have been the past couple of months, it makes it worse because not enough are running hard into space. Another reason we have to kick backwards so often,

Re JDG in the middle. He’s missed a lot of footy, and he didn’t look 100% with that heavily strapped finger. He’s never been the fittest for midfield and after missing months he’s a burst forward player at best right now. That’ll change.

[inxs88]

Too many fumbles, stumbles and tumbles as has been the way in 2020

[piedys]

Pies handballs to teammates feet, where they have no hands - check.

Absolute GOLD!!!

This has to be in the running for quote of the year.

[JC Hartley]

In the final game of the regular season before the finals, Collingwood failed against Port Adelaide by 16 points and consigned themselves with a trip to Perth, with a week of quarantine in Joondalup upon arrival into Western Australia on Friday. The Magpies had periods of dominance which the Power would surpass with greater conviction and execution in general play before getting their rewards on the scoreboard at the right time when the Woods challenged and threatened to run away with the points on at least two occasions throughout the contest. Showing and displaying glimpses against quality opponents will not work for Collingwood. Heading into their next game, the Magpies will need to justify their capabilities for longer periods to outweigh their glimpses, otherwise the 2020 season will culminate in the blink of an eye if there's no action taken.

Collingwood's gains came from handballs by +17 (150 - 133), hit-outs were won by +15 (42 - 27), +3 for contested possessions (120 - 117), Contested Marks had a differential of +7 (11 - 4), while tackles had a margin of +11 (50 - 39), and Tackles Inside 50 were won by +6 (12 - 6). Port Adelaide won their categories from disposals by +6 (317 - 311), won kicks by +23 (184 - 161), uncontested possessions were won by +6 (200 - 194), while marks had a margin of +21 (83 - 62), with uncontested marks won by +28 (79 - 51). Clearances had a differential of +10 (39 - 29), with centre clearances won by +10 (14 - 4), while Marks Inside 50 were won by +3 (7 - 4), and +9 for Inside 50s (44 - 35). Stoppage clearances (25 each) was the only neutral category in dispute.

Tatylor Adams (26 disposals @ 62%, 485 metres gained, 8 contested possessions, 18 uncontested possessions, 16 kicks, 10 handballs, 4 marks, 11 tackles, 2 Tackles Inside 50, 4 score involvements, 6 clearances, 6 stoppage clearances, 3 Inside 50s & 3 Rebound 50s) worked extremely hard in the clinches, with his defensive work to tackle relentlessly inside the stoppages a real feature. Looked the most likely player to win a clearance for much of the evening without being overly effective.

Adam Treloar (24 disposals @ 71%, 9 contetsed possessions, 15 uncontested possessions, 5 kicks, 19 handballs, 3 tackles, 2 score involvements, 6 clearances, 3 centre clearances, 3 stoppage clearances & 1 goal) won plenty of possessions, but chose to dish off by hand too much. Find time and space to kick the ball, Adam. You've got pace to burn off your opponents. Utilise that strength more often to be of greater value to your side.

Scott Pendlebury (23 disposals @ 65%, 353 metres gained, 13 contested possessions, 10 uncontested possessions, 5 intercept possessions, 11 kicks, 12 handballs, 6 tackles, 3 goal assists, 5 score involvements, 7 clearances, 6 stoppage clearances & 4 Inside 50s) in his 314th game (a new club record), was the only midfielder creating scoring opportunities from his possessions when everybody else were below par. Pendlebury also laid plenty of tackles, and won his fair share of clearances.

Josh Daicos (19 disposals @ 74%, 303 metres gained, 8 contested possessions, 11 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 10 kicks, 9 handballs, 4 marks, 4 tackles, 3 clearances, 3 stoppage clearances, 3 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) had a solid game again on the wing without being damaging. Spent most of the night maintaining possession or kicking long to a contest.

Brodie Grundy (18 disposals @ 89%, 9 contested possessions, 9 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 36 hit-outs, 5 kicks, 13 handballs, 3 marks, 3 tackles, 2 score involvements, 2 clearances & 2 stoppage clearances) won plenty of possessions and taps that amounted to nothing. I'd like to see Grundy wind back the clock a bit and take the ball from ruck contests and kick the ball to a dangerous spot in his team's forward arc. Might as well win centre clearances yourself Brodie, given the midfield is not able to win them for the majority of the time, and don't just gift your ruck opponent (Charlie Dixon ) a very simple goal in the defensive corridor. I don't want to see that repeated.

Jamie Elliott (15 disposals @ 53%, 104 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 10 uncontested possessions, 5 kicks, 10 handballs, 3 marks, 2 tackles, 2 Tackles Inside 50, 3 score involvements & 1 goal) had his poorest game of the season. No issues with finding the footy, just his inability to make reasonable decisions on the run. I'm a firm believer that Elliott needs to be rotated forward of the play for periods within quarters. The experiment of Elliott as a midfielder has been a modest success in 2020, and I don't think Elliott should be attending the majority of centre bounces in 2021. The list management team will need to find better alternatives once the season has culminated.

Jack Crisp (25 disposals @ 64%, 392 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 21 uncontested possessions, 6 intercept possessions, 11 kicks, 14 handballs, 3 marks, 4 tackles, 2 Inside 50s & 3 Rebound 50s) was forced to work significantly hard for his disposals behind the ball. Crisp was denied access to marks, which suits him and the team's brand of footy a lot more. Every possession that Crisp won was under pressure which made Collingwood's ball movement from defence that much tougher.

Brayden Maynard (18 disposals @ 83%, 479 metres gained, 8 contested possessions, 10 uncontested possessions, 11 intercept possessions, 16 kicks, 2 handballs, 5 marks, 2 Contested Marks, 2 Inside 50s & 7 Rebound 50s) had just 4 possessions in the first half, before generating significant rebounds and transition from defence in the second half. Improved starkly as the game went longer.

Isaac Quaynor (16 disposals @ 94%, 138 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 10 uncontested possessions, 9 intercept possessions, 7 kicks, 9 handballs, 4 marks, 2 tackles, 3 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) had his line-breaking game taken away by the Power, and was forced to kick short or handpass to a teammate under pressure. Quaynor is a much more effective player when he is able to play off his opponent to receive handpasses and kick long or accurately to a leading forward. None of that happened against Port Adelaide. Hopefully, it will against the Eagles.

John Noble (15 disposals @ 93%, 319 metres gained, 2 contested possessions, 13 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 13 kicks, 2 handballs, 2 marks, 3 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 6 Rebound 50s) spent all of the game linking up effective kicks to maintain possession or by kicking to long to a contest that would result in stoppages. His dash off half-back was largely diminished.

Will Hoskin-Elliott (10 disposals @ 90%, 111 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 7 uncontested possessions, 6 kicks, 4 handballs, 4 marks, 3 goal assists & 5 score involvements) took his marks and created goals. That was basically it.

Brody Mihocek (9 disposals @ 56%, 6 contested possessions, 3 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 4 kicks, 5 handballs, 3 marks, 4 tackles, 2 score involvements & 2 goals) chimed in with two goals without being influential.

Jaidyn Stephenson (8 disposals @ 75%, 118 metres gained, 2 contested possessions, 6 uncontested possessions, 6 kicks, 2 handballs, 3 marks & 1 goal) is currently out of sorts, which saddens me deeply as Jaidyn is my main man (favourite player). His decisions with the ball when he got dispossessed twice was atrocious, and despite kicking a goal to put the Woods in front during the third term, he conceded that his goal was touched, which was not reviewed at the time. I don't think having Stephenson on the wing will solve his issues. He is best suited as a high half-forward that leads at the ball carrier to take marks, or by beating his opponent out the back with his pace to kick goals. Neither of those aspects have been seen in his last two games, and it remains to be seen if he is able to play in Perth.

Jordan De Goey (7 disposals @ 71%, 172 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 4 uncontested possessions, 5 kicks, 2 handballs, 2 marks, 2 score involvements & 1 goal) was extremely quiet and non-existent, despite kicking a goal in the last quarter that gave the Magpies a pulse that ultimately got snuffed out.

Mason Cox (7 disposals @ 43%, 199 metres gained, 7 contested possessions, 6 hit-outs, 6 kicks, 5 marks, 5 Contested Marks, 3 score involvements & 3 Inside 50s) was the bail-out option on the wing for the entire game and was able to take marks to keep possession and give Grundy a chop-out in the ruck, but that was where the story ended for Mason. No scoreboard impact from him which was very disappointing to say the least.

Collingwood's next game will be against West Coast on October 3 at Optus Stadium. The priority now is to keep 2020 alive for as long as possible. A loss against the Eagles would be as painful as losing an hour of sleep the following morning to commence daylight savings. Come on Woods, keep ensuring there is daylight left in the 2020 season against the rising tide of darkness.

[Pies2016]

The fact of the matter is, modern football is all systems and structures and set ups and space guarding. Which is why is it VERY hard to throw the pieces around...players in unfamiliar positions just won’t know where to stand to guard that space on the defensive set up. And this is what is ruining Aussie Rules Footy. ..... Now it is a clinical, shambolic mess, where TURNOVERS generate most goals for every club. Think about that! Watching is no longer fun. It is essentially, pray your team doesn’t stuff up a kick or handball and be punished on the turnover. It’s simply not fun to watch anymore. Goals are so damn hard to manufacture, which makes horror umpiring calls that much more horrible. One or two howlers, and the opposition is gifted the game. One or two defensive howlers, and it’s gam set and match.

All the above is spot on I reckon RH!!!

That’s pretty close to the mark.
Putting it very simplistically, because pressure levels have increased so dramatically, the majority of coaches decided on a more risk adverse game plan.
Clubs use the corridor less now because any subsequent turnover would automatically occur in a very dangerous spot in the ground.
Clubs don’t set out to move the ball slowly but they do set out to move it deliberately ( and that translates to efficiently but without risk )
This is where we fall down. We probably have somewhere between 8 - 10 good ball users on our entire list. Based on the numbers alone, the chances of us executing a perfect chain of ten disposals, particularly under any amount of pressure, is very unlikely ( sadly )

[K]

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That’s pretty close to the mark.
Putting it very simplistically, because pressure levels have increased so dramatically, the majority of coaches decided on a more risk adverse game plan.
Clubs use the corridor less now because any subsequent turnover would automatically occur in a very dangerous spot in the ground.
Clubs don’t set out to move the ball slowly but they do set out to move it deliberately ( and that translates to efficiently but without risk )
This is where we fall down. We probably have somewhere between 8 - 10 good ball users on our entire list. Based on the numbers alone, the chances of us executing a perfect chain of ten disposals, particularly under any amount of pressure, is very unlikely ( sadly )

Maybe it'd be better if the AFL returned to semi-professional. The players would have much less fitness, so there'd be less congestion and more one-on-one contests.

[Uncle Jack]

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That’s pretty close to the mark.
Putting it very simplistically, because pressure levels have increased so dramatically, the majority of coaches decided on a more risk adverse game plan.
Clubs use the corridor less now because any subsequent turnover would automatically occur in a very dangerous spot in the ground.
Clubs don’t set out to move the ball slowly but they do set out to move it deliberately ( and that translates to efficiently but without risk )
This is where we fall down. We probably have somewhere between 8 - 10 good ball users on our entire list. Based on the numbers alone, the chances of us executing a perfect chain of ten disposals, particularly under any amount of pressure, is very unlikely ( sadly )

Maybe it'd be better if the AFL returned to semi-professional. The players would have much less fitness, so there'd be less congestion and more one-on-one contests.

It;s a good point. I always reckoned the state games were a little boring as the skill levels were so high. Pin point and precise, but uninteresting, whereas Rugby League's State of Origin boomed as the best players gathered together improved their spectacle.

[Troppo]

Too many fumbles, stumbles and tumbles as has been the way in 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UiSMyyj-Ac

[Mr Miyagi]

So the AFL promised to crackdown hard on any further quarantine breaches... PA literally broke the law by getting a friend in a high place to allow family members across the border without the usual requirements. It stinks and there’s silence from the AFL