The Hydra ~ Caro rears her head again

[swoop42]

Korda has already stated that he will defer to the recommendation of Wright on the coaching issue so we seemingly know where he stands.

Browne needs to clarify at the very least whether he will simply follow suit and make the decision based on the advice of Wright or whether he will listen to Wright but ultimately it will be him and the board that decides.

If it's the latter does Browne really need to tiptoe around the issue of Buckley any longer?

Browne has been involved within AFL circles for decades, Buckley is in his 10th season and our season is over at 2-9.

What more evidence does he need to gather before providing his opinion?

To me it's pretty simple and Browne will either re-sign Buckley despite the coach heading towards his worst season on record or he will use it as the catalyst for change.

I've already noticed that a lot of people frothing at the mouth at the thought of Browne are often also ones hoping for a change of coach.

To those people I say, what if Browne has no intention of even deferring to Wright and is determined to re-sign Buckley?

Would that change your opinion of him and vote? Most likely it would for those who hope Buckley continues as coach.

To me it seems clear that the decision on Buckley (whether for or against) will be at the forefront of peoples mind before casting their vote and if Browne were to state his intention is to retain Buckley prior to any EGM then the outcome might be much closer than he thinks. Hell if another candidate like Murphy or Licuria were to emerge and declare an intention to move Buckley on they might well beat all comers.

Personally I just feel the members can only be truly informed on who they're voting for if the candidates declare their intention on a decision that will ultimately impact the clubs medium term future more than any other.

Is that really to much to ask?

[88MPH]

The Mark Korda interview on 3AW tonight was bordering on a train wreck.

He had a rolled gold opportunity to reach the members - to say “It’s not about us, it’s about you”. He sounded defensive and awkward and devoid of any passion for the core of the club - the members.

I cannot believe that club leaders have been so obviously content to treat our members with absolute disregard and borderline disdain. Whilst we all understand that the club is in a really strong financial position (why wouldn’t it be?) and that you’ve done a good job in that regard, that’s not the most crucial thing. Don’t you get it? This is a football club whose core purpose is to win games of football and, ultimately, premierships. He referred to “football” as if it was one of many equally important departments that he was overseeing at Collingwood. No, it is THE most important operation of the club and the members are who you serve and what drives the very purpose of the club. For goodness sake it’s in the goddamn name of the place!

I have no runner in this race and am not convinced that Browne is in this other than to fluff his own ego, but what I do know is that the way the members have been treated in recent history has been nothing short of disgraceful and something has got to give. That the current president cannot see that, but instead torched a gilt-edged opportunity to speak directly to the members about their concerns speaks volumes for the current lamentable state of this administration

[The Boy Who Cried Wolf]

I actually think Korda's doomed.

His only chance was action and passion, he's done neither.

[slangman]

Ultimately Browne as President, Buckley dismissed and Murphy/Licuria retained is my preferred outcome.

This would also be my preferred scenario.
I really like Murphy and having spoken to him a few times at various club functions, I was really impressed with his genuine interest of members and supporters. The first time I met him, I actually didn’t even know who he was but remember thinking, gee this guy is very switched on and knows his stuff.

Hopefully Korda and Co read the room and understand that an EGM isn’t so much as getting Browne in, its more about getting them out.

[MatthewBoydFanClub]

I would have preferred Murphy myself but apparently he didn’t put himself forward at the time as needed when Korda was actively lobbying the other board members for the job. Korda lost me when in a speech he thanked Licuria as a member of the 2010 premiership side. I don’t like the steam roller approach of Browne in approaching Korda to resign and stand aside 4 members of the existing board. Isn’t the idea of all this that the members vote in the directors of the board? The members have been denied that opportunity for 23 years.

[WhyPhilWhy?]

I'll vote for the first one to say, "we have listened to the members and as a result..."

[Collingwood 4 eternity]

Forget Korda and the current board

Forget Browne and his other three candidates

Where are all the other people who we were told “were waiting until Eddie is gone” before putting up their candidacy

Well he’s not there anymore

What are they waiting for , what are their plans , are they going to wait till the last minute

Surely they should be on the front foot now , securing goodwill with the voting members with the hope of themselves being elected to the board.

Wasn’t there 90 people that wanted the position that Brydie O’Donnell was given ?

[Lazza]

Korda has already stated that he will defer to the recommendation of Wright on the coaching issue so we seemingly know where he stands.
If it's the latter does Browne really need to tiptoe around the issue of Buckley any longer?
To me it's pretty simple and Browne will either re-sign Buckley despite the coach heading towards his worst season on record or he will use it as the catalyst for change.
To those people I say, what if Browne has no intention of even deferring to Wright and is determined to re-sign Buckley?
Would that change your opinion of him and vote? Most likely it would for those who hope Buckley continues as coach.
To me it seems clear that the decision on Buckley (whether for or against) will be at the forefront of peoples mind before casting their vote and if Browne were to state his intention is to retain Buckley prior to any EGM then the outcome might be much closer than he thinks. Hell if another candidate like Murphy or Licuria were to emerge and declare an intention to move Buckley on they might well beat all comers.
Personally I just feel the members can only be truly informed on who they're voting for if the candidates declare their intention on a decision that will ultimately impact the clubs medium term future more than any other.
Is that really to much to ask?

I don’t think so, a fully informed choice before voting is the best way to go. I get the feeling that in the main, Nicksters are unaware or dismissing the support Bucks has among fans like me who believes that if he has a change of support staff and assistant coaches, he will be able to pull Collingwood out of the mire. I know that supporting Buckley is a very odd thing to do on this blog but it does exist and freedom of expression allows this to happen. I did a totally unofficial survey last night among my magpie mates and it was 5 - 3 supporting him if his assistants are changed. If not, it was 4 - 4 FWIW. Make of that what you will.

[MatthewBoydFanClub]

I don’t think a president should be involved in choosing the coach. I know that’s what Eddie did when he got in and chose Mick Malthouse. But I think it’s all wrong because where does it lead to? Didn’t Eddie tell the football department to bring Beams back from Queensland. We need an independent football department that makes the football decisions.

[Swanny2011]

I really don't understand the hate towards Korda. He has only been in charge for 5 mins. Sure he may have had a few 'slip of the tongues' but nothing worse than our previous president!
Already we have had a turnover at board level and at the Football department level and I am sure there is more to come

In Browne??? everyone knows SFA about his mandate and who will be on his ticket.
IF Browne was so concerned about the running or vision of the CFC why didn't he do this last year or when Eddie had resigned? This seems to me just to be an opportunistic power grab.

All this crap is just setting us further and further behind. There is no way an experienced coach like Clarkson, Lyon or Scott will consider the coaching role with this crap going on.

[MatthewBoydFanClub]

I really don't understand the hate towards Korda. He has only been in charge for 5 mins. Sure he may have had a few 'slip of the tongues' but nothing worse than our previous president!
Already we have had a turnover at board level and at the Football department level and I am sure there is more to come

In Browne??? everyone knows SFA about his mandate and who will be on his ticket.
IF Browne was so concerned about the running or vision of the CFC why didn't he do this last year or when Eddie had resigned? This seems to me just to be an opportunistic power grab.

All this crap is just setting us further and further behind. There is no way an experienced coach like Clarkson, Lyon or Scott will consider the coaching role with this crap going on.

So what you’re saying is you want a president who will sack the coach and bring in a Clarkson, Lyon or Scott. That’s not what I want in a president. I want a president who lets the football department makes the football decisions.

[masoncox]

I really don't understand the hate towards Korda. He has only been in charge for 5 mins. Sure he may have had a few 'slip of the tongues' but nothing worse than our previous president!
Already we have had a turnover at board level and at the Football department level and I am sure there is more to come

In Browne??? everyone knows SFA about his mandate and who will be on his ticket.
IF Browne was so concerned about the running or vision of the CFC why didn't he do this last year or when Eddie had resigned? This seems to me just to be an opportunistic power grab.

All this crap is just setting us further and further behind. There is no way an experienced coach like Clarkson, Lyon or Scott will consider the coaching role with this crap going on.

So what you’re saying is you want a president who will sack the coach and bring in a Clarkson, Lyon or Scott. That’s not what I want in a president. I want a president who lets the football department makes the football decisions.

Who picks the footy department?
In the end the board has to pick someone.
Too many members and supporters don't want Bux anymore.
People will vote with their wallets.
It is already happening.
The club won't move forward until the members pick a new board and a new coach is appointed.
Simple as that.

[Swanny2011]

MatthewBoydFanClub wrote:
[/quote]So what you’re saying is you want a president who will sack the coach and bring in a Clarkson, Lyon or Scott. That’s not what I want in a president. I want a president who lets the football department makes the football decisions.

No I am not saying that at all. I am saying that if the board are scouting for a new coach (which i certainly hope they are) then it will be unlikely that those mentioned would accept the position with so many warring fractions.

So this EGM will do more harm than good.

[Swanny2011]

I am pretty clever in quoting myself. lol

[PyreneesPie]

I don’t think so, a fully informed choice before voting is the best way to go. I get the feeling that in the main, Nicksters are unaware or dismissing the support Bucks has among fans like me who believes that if he has a change of support staff and assistant coaches, he will be able to pull Collingwood out of the mire. I know that supporting Buckley is a very odd thing to do on this blog but it does exist and freedom of expression allows this to happen. I did a totally unofficial survey last night among my magpie mates and it was 5 - 3 supporting him if his assistants are changed. If not, it was 4 - 4 FWIW. Make of that what you will.

There seems to be an assumption here on Nick's that those who post regularly are an unbiased, unskewed, representative sample of the wider Collingwood supporter base. I actually highly doubt that.
So, when some point out that "most" want Bucks removed, they fail to  qualify that with "most here on Nick's".

I too have a wider circle of Magpie supporting friends, who like me have watched the Pies go through several football cycles over fifty plus years. All of them want Bucks to stay, but with a refreshed coaching group around him. This group includes two mates who have been continual members for 50 plus years.