The Hydra ~ Caro rears her head again

[Abdul The Bull]

What we know about Korda, Browne and Murphy.

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Just putting out as much information as I can with what we know currently.

Need more information on Browne. Him and his camp are still vague about their plans despite Tuesday's declaration.

Thanks for posting, Jezza. I appreciate the effort you've gone to here.

Based on performance rather than rhotoric. Murphy would get my vote....

[pietillidie]

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Let me give it a go with this Hardwick and no evidence stuff.

Hmmm 3 premierships in 4 years. Yep, that's enough evidence for me to say he is not a good coach, he is a Great Coach.
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Did Hardwick coach in any way differently 2017--[now] from [?]--2016?
I reckon the answer is no.

He lucked out.

I would love to see him coach another club (not Collingwood), just so we can see what happens. But I don't think it'll happen.

I reckon someone like Neil Craig was a far superior coach to Dimma, just much less lucky. We all underestimate how much luck matters in life... especially when the luck goes our way.

So, let me get this straight: those whom you don't like but who succeed are lucky; those whom you like but don't succeed are unlucky; those who succeed and you also happen to like are geniuses.

[Pies4shaw]

^ Neil Craig's record stands for itself. Coached two clubs. Never lost a preliminary final. Never lost a Grand Final. Better than Bill Belichick. All that silverware. Where to put it?

[Swanny2011]

Thanks Jezza for your post. Good information here as to what we know so far.
If I had to vote between between two parties (Browne board and Korda board)at the moment. I would vote Korda.
If Murphy was to run (but I doubt this) depending on who will remain or bring in. I may vote Murphy.
Reading Browne's interview this morning it appears he has a vendetta against Korda because he blames him for the salary cap mess but then stops short of blaming anyone else. Eddie included. Funny that!

I put 80% of the blame squarley on the shoulders of Geoff Walsh and he is gone.

[PyreneesPie]

I put 80% of the blame squarley on the shoulders of Geoff Walsh and he is gone.

This I most definitely agree with. No repercussions for him though.

[PyreneesPie]

We all underestimate how much luck matters in life... especially when the luck goes our way.

One of the most profound things said on this board for a long time IMHO

[GreekLunatic]

bucks backs the current board if i was him i would stick to coaching

[BEAMER09]

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Let me give it a go with this Hardwick and no evidence stuff.

Hmmm 3 premierships in 4 years. Yep, that's enough evidence for me to say he is not a good coach, he is a Great Coach.
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Did Hardwick coach in any way differently 2017--[now] from [?]--2016?
I reckon the answer is no.

He lucked out.

I would love to see him coach another club (not Collingwood), just so we can see what happens. But I don't think it'll happen.


I reckon someone like Neil Craig was a far superior coach to Dimma, just much less lucky. We all underestimate how much luck matters in life... especially when the luck goes our way.

Good call on Neil Craig

Actually looking at his Coaching history, Neil would've fitted into Collingwood as Senior Coach perfectly.

Win H&A games, some good Finals win but can't win a GF.

Yep, bring him on, sign him up - got all the credentials for a great Collingwood Coach...

[PyreneesPie]

bucks backs the current board if i was him i would stick to coaching

Well, at least it might help,some members make their choice between the two board factions

[88MPH]

Pretty simple for me really. The “faction” that gets my vote will say:

1. “We are for the members. The club will stop treating the members like an annoyance whose money we want but who should otherwise keep quiet”;
2. “We are a football club. Our very existence and reason for being is to win games of football and premierships. It is after all the name on the bloody door. All the rest of it is pales into relative insignificance.”

It’s amazing how through all of the noise about “spills”, “coups”, “tickets” and “factions” the fundamental purpose of our great club has been lost.

The legends of our club - Jock McHale, Dick Lee, the Coventrys and Colliers, Jack Regan, Bob Rose, and Phonse Kyne must be looking down on us, shaking their heads in utter disgust and disbelief...

[queenslandpie]

It's difficult to disagree with 88mph. I can't believe that neither group have enlisted John Bertrand, a Collingwood member with impeccable resume, who is apparently 'willing to serve'. He serves or has served on a number of boards, including CEO of Swimming Australia. A friend of mine knows him, and recommends him as having impeccable character. I'd also like to see Peter Moore and Craig Kelly step up. Having sons at the club should not disqualify them, in fact it shows they are Collingwood through and through. Both former players have been successful men outside football. Collingwood has always had families continuing the tradition.

Re the coach, I don't know why posters on this forum continue to call for Clarkson! Why? Yesterdays man. I live up here in north Queensland and go to watch the North Qld Cowboys. Rugby League a great game once you get used to it. At the end of last season they booted the coach, as they were going nowhere, and took the punt with a young coach who played about 10 years ago, and who had done his apprenticeship at other clubs. The Cowboys are now promoting young players from rural Qld and they are sitting around 7th. They started the son with 0-4, now are 6-6. I'd be looking more at someone like Justin Leppitsch, 3 premierships under Leigh Matthews, following a dynasty dating back to John Kennedy. Like Hafey/Sheedy/Matlhouse. Justin has learned from a great. After appointing a coach, Pies need to completely overhaul (sack?) those responsible for recruitment and draft/list management. Try to sign/pinch good people from other clubs.

[Swanny2011]

Re the coach, I don't know why posters on this forum continue to call for Clarkson! Why? Yesterdays man.

mmm.. well lets think of a couple of reasons:
- He has great rapport with his players
- All players have great respect for him. No player that has left the club have been disgruntled. Even though he had to move on some great players.
- Hawthorn lost arguably the greatest match winner to play in the last two decades (Franklin) and Hawthorn still went on to win flags.
- He has good game plans and he is not afraid to change or tinker with them. (hearing Jordon Lewis speak he said that Clarko would often come with new plans or set plays all the time, but once implemented he was also not afraid to abandon them altogether if he felt the need .
- Remember the game plan 'Clarko's cluster'? That won them the flag over Geelong? It took ages for other coaches to work it out and beat it, then when they did, he then reinvented Hawthorn again and won flags
- He always gets the maximum output out of players
- He is not afraid to try something out of the normal ie. play a ruckman in the backline. Like he did with McCEvoy. Play a so called 'fat' 'unfit' Suart Dew in a Grand Final.

Just because Hawthorn isn't getting results now shouldn't mean he is a 'Yesterday's man'. He is the longest serving coach and maybe going stale at Hawthorn. A fresh start maybe the thing that both Clarko and Hawks need therefore the Collingwood board would be negligent in there duty to not ask the question of him.

I believe the AFL system in general has it wrong with older coaches not considered for positions in favour of the younger coaches. The USFL and NBA leagues have a large proportion of coaches that are >50 years of age. Younger coaches that have done an apprenticeship have there place and good on clubs for giving them a go. But to my mind I prefer an older, wiser, successful experienced coach every day of the week.

[Harrysz]

Nathan Buckley has publicly endorsed the current Board.

That's inappropriate. It's not his place. It smells like a quid pro quo deal.

[masoncox]

Nathan Buckley has publicly endorsed the current Board.

That's inappropriate. It's not his place. It smells like a quid pro quo deal.

That is a shocker.
A coach should not comment publically about the board.
He went further and said that things had changed in the last few years so the current board should stay.
What a rabbit

[Abdul The Bull]

Nathan Buckley has publicly endorsed the current Board.

That's inappropriate. It's not his place. It smells like a quid pro quo deal.

Indeed! but, in fairness, what else is he meant to say if asked?

Having said that, I suppose he could bat the question away with "It's not my place to comment on such matters" or something similar.