Coronavirus 4 - Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

[roar]

As stui mentioned, a "less than useless" opposition certainly helps their cause.

[What'sinaname]

As stui mentioned, a "less than useless" opposition certainly helps their cause.

Wouldn't less than useless mean not useless, and more than useless mean worse than useless?

[Pies4shaw]

As stui mentioned, a "less than useless" opposition certainly helps their cause.

Mine - to be clear - wasn't a party-political broadcast. I was merely answering your question. I do not vote for the ALP.

[Pies4shaw]

Denmark has announced that it has vaccinated 80% of its population over the age of 12. For the last 6 weeks, cases have hovered around the 800 to just under 1,000 mark per day (call that, population-adjusted, the equivalent of about 2,000 to 2,5000 cases per day across the whole of Australia). Deaths have been on a rolling 7-day average of no more than 1 per day. It looks like they've had a total of about 22 deaths this month, so far.

Just to put that into context, The Age reports that Australia has just 32.3% of the population aged over 16 fully vaccinated: https://www.theage.com.au/national/covi ... 56xht.html

[stui magpie]

We can't stay locked up forever, people have to get on with their lives, hospitality and retail have to be able to re-open, people go back to work.

The evidence from overseas is showing that, the cost of doing that even with a highly vaccinated population is, people are going to die.

Well, people die every day. Lots of them. 9 people die in Australia every day of Suicide, 7 of them men.

58,515 people died in Australia between January and May this year, for all sorts of reasons. https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/healt ... 0-may-2021

[David]

That will eventually happen and people will, presumably, have to accept some number of COVID-19 deaths in even the most cautious opening-up strategy. But I suspect at least some of the people advocating opening up ASAP because we can't stay locked up forever may be looking at the current numbers in Sydney, or the worst of the second Victorian lockdown, and thinking something like that is what we'll have to deal with on an ongoing basis. But of course COVID has always been on a relatively tiny scale in Australia because of our lockdown strategy; I think we need to be bracing ourselves for something more like the numbers coming out of the UK in the last eighteen months if we open up prematurely. Even at 70, 80% we may be getting totally unprecedented figures of COVID-19 cases and deaths in an Australian context. I don't know how many people are actually ready for the consequences of that.

[think positive]

im not.

vaccination wont stop it but those denmark figures show while people still get sick they wont die, and the number getting sick is also much reduced.

ie get vaccinated asap!

[roar]

re David's post: I think you may be surprised how many people will be understanding of the situation and will prefer that scenario to further lockdowns.

[Pies4shaw]

We can't stay locked up forever, people have to get on with their lives, hospitality and retail have to be able to re-open, people go back to work.

The evidence from overseas is showing that, the cost of doing that even with a highly vaccinated population is, people are going to die.

Well, people die every day. Lots of them. 9 people die in Australia every day of Suicide, 7 of them men.

58,515 people died in Australia between January and May this year, for all sorts of reasons. https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/healt ... 0-may-2021

That's misconceived. The position in Denmark suggests that, if our country does it properly, there should be very few deaths, indeed. It's only if governments let the virus rip that there continue to be large numbers of deaths.

[Pies4shaw]

In NSW:

- There have been 81 COVID-19 related deaths in NSW since 16 June 2021. There have been 137 in total since the start of the pandemic.

- 882 new locally acquired cases of COVID-19 in the 24 hours to 8pm last night.

It looks like NSW has given up trying to report the embarrassing numbers of mystery cases and "wild" cases. Nothing on the twitter about either, today.

[Pies4shaw]

From the ABC Blog, a summary of the Victorian situation:

COVID-19 Commander Jeroen Weimar says there are 660 active cases of coronavirus in the state at this point. 37 Victorians are in hospital. 14 are in intensive care and 9 are on a ventilator.

"15,200 primary close contacts across our outbreaks at the moment, of the 79 cases, 16 are under investigation as to the source and 63 have now been identified and assigned to different parts of the outbreak."

Of the new 79 local cases recorded in Victoria overnight:

46 in Melbourne’s western suburbs, including Wyndham (12) and Newport (11)
10 associated with the Shepparton outbreak
1 associated with the Royal Melbourne Hospital
9 linked to a cluster at Broadmeadows
6 linked to a cluster in Carlton and Brunswick
2 from day 13 tests linked to a Caroline Springs shopping centre
1 case in Geelong
2 in the city of Monash
2 cases under investigation

There are now 79 active cases linked to the Shepparton area.

[stui magpie]

We can't stay locked up forever, people have to get on with their lives, hospitality and retail have to be able to re-open, people go back to work.

The evidence from overseas is showing that, the cost of doing that even with a highly vaccinated population is, people are going to die.

Well, people die every day. Lots of them. 9 people die in Australia every day of Suicide, 7 of them men.

58,515 people died in Australia between January and May this year, for all sorts of reasons. https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/healt ... 0-may-2021

That's misconceived. The position in Denmark suggests that, if our country does it properly, there should be very few deaths, indeed. It's only if governments let the virus rip that there continue to be large numbers of deaths.

I don't agree it's misconceived. It's about timing.

Lockdowns to reduce case numbers to zero means no Covid deaths, Open up unvaccinated and let it rip means seriously lots of deaths. The balancing act is what's the right point.

That ABS data showed over 5000 people died in Australia of respiratory diseases between Jan 2020 and May 2021

[stui magpie]

And for those interested, as of today NSW overtook Victoria for the most local Covid cases. here's a comparison

https://www.theage.com.au/national/nsw- ... 58maa.html

[think positive]

re David's post: I think you may be surprised how many people will be understanding of the situation and will prefer that scenario to further lockdowns.

yes i personally know a few selfish damn arseholes who only think its about themselves!

[think positive]

And for those interested, as of today NSW overtook Victoria for the most local Covid cases. here's a comparison

https://www.theage.com.au/national/nsw- ... 58maa.html

from that article"Another important difference here between NSW’s current outbreak and Victoria’s second wave is the age breakdown of those infected.

In Victoria’s second wave, a disproportionate number of people aged 70 and above contracted the virus, largely due to outbreaks in aged care facilities.

People aged 70 and above make up about 11 per cent of the state’s population, but almost 14 per cent of cases recorded during Victoria’s second wave and more than 90 per cent of the state’s total deaths from the virus.

But in NSW’s latest outbreak, 4 per cent of those infected have been aged 70 or above and 61 per cent of people in this age group are fully vaccinated against COVID statewide."

this is so important to understand.