Coronavirus 4 - Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

[think positive]

Since the start of last summer, NSW has had 171 deaths and Victoria 4; NSW has had over 37,000 new cases and Victoria just 4,744. It's possible to prefer one political approach over the other but anyone who prefers the present NSW mismanagement of the disease is not paying sensible attention.

this, 100% this!!!

i cant believe they are talking about opening up !!!

[eddiesmith]

If you can't open up at 70-80% vaccination then when? Because otherwise it's lockdowns forever...

[Pies4shaw]

^ It's good to reduce everything to a dichotomy - it's a substitute for complex thought.

On the trends in Victoria:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/why- ... 58qce.html

The COVID-19 Delta outbreak is growing faster in Victoria than NSW despite the faster and harder lockdown in Victoria, which also started its outbreak with higher vaccination coverage.

Infections are still lower in Victoria than NSW for the same stage of the pandemic, with Victoria reaching a three-day rolling average of 369 daily cases on September 11, the 62nd day since the first case in the community. NSW reached its 62nd day on August 16 with a three-day rolling average of 427.3 daily cases.

But epidemiologists warn Victoria’s outbreak is now accelerating more quickly and is set to overtake NSW unless both vaccination uptake and lockdown compliance improve.

[Pies4shaw]

In Victoria:

Reported yesterday: 392 new local cases and 0 cases acquired overseas.
- 36,534 vaccines administered
- 48,063 test results received

Of the local cases, so far 107 are linked to existing outbreaks and cases. Further case information will be provided this morning.

That result is much better than yesterday - not just because the number is lower but because it's from about 15% more tests. The positive test result rate is back to 0.82% from 1.05% yesterday.

[roar]

Since the start of last summer, NSW has had 171 deaths and Victoria 4; NSW has had over 37,000 new cases and Victoria just 4,744. It's possible to prefer one political approach over the other but anyone who prefers the present NSW mismanagement of the disease is not paying sensible attention.

this, 100% this!!!

i cant believe they are talking about opening up !!!

As stui mentioned, people are over it, and less and less are strictly adhering to lockdown rules so what is the answer?

When we open, those who want the vaccine will have had it so I'm not sure what else can be done. The "but people will die!" brigade will be overtaken by the "I don't care about deaths, this is not life" brigade, if they haven't already, so I can't see where Dan can go with this. He wasn't capable of keeping us at zero so people have no faith that he can achieve what is required.

[stui magpie]

Since the start of last summer, NSW has had 171 deaths and Victoria 4; NSW has had over 37,000 new cases and Victoria just 4,744. It's possible to prefer one political approach over the other but anyone who prefers the present NSW mismanagement of the disease is not paying sensible attention.

As you showed above, NSW mismanagement is currently containing the virus better than Victoria is.

The Reproduction number for NSW is around or below 1 at present, while Victoria is at 1.4 despite being in a stage 4 lockdown.

The Andrews Government has repeatedly demonstrated that they cannot manage. There are several different levers to pull in managing this virus, the Andrews Government repeatedly failed at every attempt except the last resort, hard lockdown, and they somehow managed to convince numbers of people that this abject failure was somehow a success.

My earlier point was not intended to start the tit for tat again, but simply to point out that NSW is successfully containing the virus and has given people hope with a road map out. Victoria at present has done neither, but feel free to prefer the Victorian approach.

[think positive]

Since the start of last summer, NSW has had 171 deaths and Victoria 4; NSW has had over 37,000 new cases and Victoria just 4,744. It's possible to prefer one political approach over the other but anyone who prefers the present NSW mismanagement of the disease is not paying sensible attention.

this, 100% this!!!

i cant believe they are talking about opening up !!!

As stui mentioned, people are over it, and less and less are strictly adhering to lockdown rules so what is the answer?

When we open, those who want the vaccine will have had it so I'm not sure what else can be done. The "but people will die!" brigade will be overtaken by the "I don't care about deaths, this is not life" brigade, if they haven't already, so I can't see where Dan can go with this. He wasn't capable of keeping us at zero so people have no faith that he can achieve what is required.

I’ll bet the 1,500 daily newly infected are over it too, and the 30 year olds being forund dead in their apartments. Vaccination levels are not the only important consideration, you need the in patient and especially the ICU numbers to be within controllable limits, and they are not.

Try to control the numbers, get vaccination levels up, put the passport in place, and go from there.

Surely it’s common sense!

I don’t give a **** about politics, I vote depending on who has best animal rights policies! I couldn’t even tell you confidently what parties are where! And I’ve asked Jezza a dozen times if I’m left or right!

[Dave The Man]

Since the start of last summer, NSW has had 171 deaths and Victoria 4; NSW has had over 37,000 new cases and Victoria just 4,744. It's possible to prefer one political approach over the other but anyone who prefers the present NSW mismanagement of the disease is not paying sensible attention.

As you showed above, NSW mismanagement is currently containing the virus better than Victoria is.

The Reproduction number for NSW is around or below 1 at present, while Victoria is at 1.4 despite being in a stage 4 lockdown.

The Andrews Government has repeatedly demonstrated that they cannot manage. There are several different levers to pull in managing this virus, the Andrews Government repeatedly failed at every attempt except the last resort, hard lockdown, and they somehow managed to convince numbers of people that this abject failure was somehow a success.

My earlier point was not intended to start the tit for tat again, but simply to point out that NSW is successfully containing the virus and has given people hope with a road map out. Victoria at present has done neither, but feel free to prefer the Victorian approach.

I thought NSW getting around 900-1000 more cases a Day then Victoria - So how is that doing it better?

[think positive]

very good point Dave!

[stui magpie]

Except the point was, Victorian case numbers are increasing faster than NSW.

Neither state is trying to reduce numbers back to zero, both acknowledge that's now not going to happen, so the game now is about containment, keeping the daily cases at a manageable level.

[Pies4shaw]

NSW's report, courtesy of the ABC blog:

NSW records 1,262 new cases, 7 deaths
These figures come from 105,505 tests yesterday,

There are now 1,206 people in hospital, with 220 people in the ICU and 92 on a ventilator.

Those who died were:

A man in his 20s from western Sydney died at Nepean Hospital.
A woman in her 40s from south-western Sydney died at Campbelltown Hospital
A woman in her 50s from south-western Sydney died at St George Hospital
A man in his 50s from western Sydney died at Westmead Hospital
A man in his 70s from south-western Sydney died at Liverpool Hospital
A man in his 80s from south-western Sydney died at Liverpool Hospital
A woman in her 80s from south-western Sydney died at Liverpool Hospital
The spread of the 1,262 new cases across the state are as follows:

399 are from South Western Sydney Local Health District (LHD)
336 are from Western Sydney LHD
161 are from South Eastern Sydney LHD
135 are from Sydney LHD
80 are from Nepean Blue Mountains LHD
53 are from Illawarra Shoalhaven LHD
33 are from Central Coast LHD
25 are from Northern Sydney LHD
14 are from Western NSW LHD
seven are from Hunter New England LHD
five are from Far West LHD
three are from Mid North Coast LHD
11 cases are yet to be assigned to an LHD.

[Pies4shaw]

It's not entirely comparable, of course, but Malaysia is right down the very bottom of a COVID hole, despite having about 53% of its entire population fully vaccinated and over 90% of all adults having at least one shot.

The population of Malaysia is about 25% higher than ours. Their 7 day moving average of deaths is up to 362 per day and their 7 day moving average of new cases is up to 19,500 per day.

At the start of February 2021, Malaysia had had fewer deaths over the entire course of the pandemic than Australia. The position, now, is that nearly 20,500 people have died. The 7 day averages are over 136,000 new cases every week and over 2,500 deaths per week.

[Pies4shaw]

In Victoria:

Reported yesterday: 473 new local cases and 0 cases acquired overseas.
- 30,032 vaccines administered
- 49,037 test results received

Of the new local cases, 202 are linked to known cases and outbreaks. Further case information will be provided this morning.

[stui magpie]

Sydney is easing its COVID-19 restrictions for people who have been fully vaccinated from today, despite consistently high numbers of new infections being reported daily.

The new measures, which came into place just after midnight, are designed to balance public health needs with people's mental wellbeing.

What you're allowed to do depends on where you live.

See the details here. It's not exactly open slather UK style, just baby steps.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-13/ ... /100455200

[Pies4shaw]

In NSW, 1,257 cases and 7 deaths.