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Jezza wrote:Received an email from the club regarding the electoral process:
As per the constitution, members who held any of the following packages for the 2021 season are eligible to vote:
- Club 5 members;
- Legends members;
- Season Ticket members with Social Club access.
I’m a interstate member (and social club member) and based on this email would not be able to vote. Our membership category has changed over the years too e.g. Social Club County, Social Club Interstate.
Does anyone have a relevant part of the constitution?
Jezza wrote:Received an email from the club regarding the electoral process:
As per the constitution, members who held any of the following packages for the 2021 season are eligible to vote:
- Club 5 members;
- Legends members;
- Season Ticket members with Social Club access.
I’m a interstate member (and social club member) and based on this email would not be able to vote. Our membership category has changed over the years too e.g. Social Club County, Social Club Interstate.
Does anyone have a relevant part of the constitution?
The constitution won't help you. If you go to the website and look it up it's dated 1985. And if you ask the club and query the constitution they say it's been updated since 1985.
MatthewBoydFanClub wrote:I'm assuming the above email was sent to all 82,000 members who have email addresses. Many of those members don't even know they don't have voting rights given that only 13,000 members are entitled to vote at the AGM. There are so many things to fix up on the admin side to align with the overhaul of the football department. The starting point is a new board, but that should only be the beginning of reforms badly needed at the club. They need to attract more ordinary members who have full voting rights at the club, so it's essential for the club to offer more attractive packages that confer voting rights. Then the club needs to encourage members to utilize the facilities of the social club, not just on game day. For too long Holden Centre has been the domain of the corporates with the members discouraged from going there. Victoria Park has been wasted as a venue for members as well. For a club as rich as Collingwood why hasn't any money been spent on Victoria park? If Collingwood wants to learn how to make the experience of the social club facilities better for members they should visit some of the rugby clubs north of the border, or just cross the fence and check out how the Melbourne Storm treat their members.
Sorry - a 3 game member does not deserve to have voting rights.
one can argue opening it up to an 11 game home member, I wouldn't be totally against that, but how many of the 80,000 members that we have are 3 game members?
MatthewBoydFanClub wrote:I'm assuming the above email was sent to all 82,000 members who have email addresses. Many of those members don't even know they don't have voting rights given that only 13,000 members are entitled to vote at the AGM. There are so many things to fix up on the admin side to align with the overhaul of the football department. The starting point is a new board, but that should only be the beginning of reforms badly needed at the club. They need to attract more ordinary members who have full voting rights at the club, so it's essential for the club to offer more attractive packages that confer voting rights. Then the club needs to encourage members to utilize the facilities of the social club, not just on game day. For too long Holden Centre has been the domain of the corporates with the members discouraged from going there. Victoria Park has been wasted as a venue for members as well. For a club as rich as Collingwood why hasn't any money been spent on Victoria park? If Collingwood wants to learn how to make the experience of the social club facilities better for members they should visit some of the rugby clubs north of the border, or just cross the fence and check out how the Melbourne Storm treat their members.
Sorry - a 3 game member does not deserve to have voting rights.
one can argue opening it up to an 11 game home member, I wouldn't be totally against that, but how many of the 80,000 members that we have are 3 game members?
I'm not a 3 game member. You'll find full membership requirements are so complicated that two members of the Collingwood board didn't even know they weren't Collingwood members entitled to vote. People here are saying the whole situation is a farce blaming the current board but if you impose restrictions on voting that are so complicated that even board members don't know whether they are actually entitled to sit on the board then you have serious problems that go beyond the current board. Simple solution. have two categories of membership. Voting members and non-voting members. Don't restrict voting membership to the type of seasons ticket you hold. For instance most interstate members can't attend games but they may want to take out a social club membership which entitles them to vote. Why not? If you're one of the lucky ones among the 13,000 members entitled to vote you may think it's special that you can vote while others can't, but think about it from another perspective. 67,000 members of the Collingwood Football Club are shut out from voting for their own board. That's some democracy that operates at the Collingwood football Club.
My understanding is that Social Club is the thing that gets you voting rights. If you have Social Club but dont fit those categories I would definitely call the club
DeadEyeDidak wrote:Again - a 3 game ticket for me shouldn't be a voting member
I'm not saying someone holding a 3 game membership should have voting rights at the CFC. Are you suggesting that 67,000 members of the CFC hold 3-game memberships? Hardly. All I'm saying is that you should define membership voting rights in terms people understand. We haven't had an election of the board in over 20 years and only now people are discovering that they don't have voting rights at the AGM. On top of that Jeff Browne is organizing a ticket to stand for election while includes his hand chosen candidates which he wants the members to vote on as a block and is trying to do deals with the current board as to who he may include from the current board. So being one of the privileged 13,000 members entitled to vote you may not even get who you want on the board.
Lone Ranger wrote:My understanding is that Social Club is the thing that gets you voting rights. If you have Social Club but dont fit those categories I would definitely call the club
FWIW I was told that a 2021 season ticket qualifies you to vote at the 2021 AGM. If you go to the 1985 constitution it talks about ordinary members (who are entitled to vote) and honorable members (who aren't entitled to vote).
MatthewBoydFanClub wrote:For a club as rich as Collingwood why hasn't any money been spent on Victoria park?
It's a council owned and operated facility but that aside there has been considerable funding spent at Vic Park as far as I'm aware. Upgrades to change rooms and spectator facilities.
MatthewBoydFanClub wrote:If Collingwood wants to learn how to make the experience of the social club facilities better for members they should visit some of the rugby clubs north of the border, or just cross the fence and check out how the Melbourne Storm treat their members.
You think we need to turn the Holden Centre into a big pocker machine venue?
MatthewBoydFanClub wrote:For a club as rich as Collingwood why hasn't any money been spent on Victoria park?
It's a council owned and operated facility but that aside there has been considerable funding spent at Vic Park as far as I'm aware. Upgrades to change rooms and spectator facilities.
MatthewBoydFanClub wrote:If Collingwood wants to learn how to make the experience of the social club facilities better for members they should visit some of the rugby clubs north of the border, or just cross the fence and check out how the Melbourne Storm treat their members.
You think we need to turn the Holden Centre into a big pocker machine venue?
I spent a week in Townsville a couple of years ago and have never felt more at home at Cowboys headquarters as a visitor. They treat you like family. The pokies pay for it all. If you don’t like pokies then don’t play them. It’s your choice. I don’t see why the rest of us have to fall for the lowest common denominator of those who can’t resist the temptation to play poker machines.
The way members are treated has NOTHING to do with poker machines. It has EVERYTHING to do with how a club views it’s members.
For too long our club has simply taken its members for granted. “It’s OK. We can treat them like crap because we know they’ll sign up again. We’ve got tens of thousands of the buggers. Who cares if some of them get peed off and throw in their memberships? Plenty more where that came from. As long as they pay their fees and keep quiet, we who know so much better and are so far superior in intellect and application will continue to run the place as our personal little play thing. Concerns of members? Ahhh…OK….We’ll put in a member’s phone number which we’ll staff so poorly that it will take them 3 hours to get through. Ultimately, they just won’t bother with it. And if they are determined enough to hold on and do get through, if they raise real concerns we’ll pat them warmly on the head and fill them full of baseless platitudes - ‘you’re the lifeblood of the club’, ‘we are so grateful for your continued support’, ‘we couldn’t survive without you’ you know, that type of crap. And we’ll decide who runs the joint, not them. After all, what the hell would they know about winning Olympic medals, barracking for other clubs, or running corporations? They’re too busy buying memberships and sitting in the rain screaming for their team. Election? What? What the hell is that? Pffftttt…. Let them eat cake…”
It’s all about the members. Neither the incumbent, nor the ghost challenger seem to get it. It’s not about you. It’s about the members. THAT’S why Rugby League club members are treated like royalty. Not because they have poker machines. But because they truly appreciate that without their members, there is no club. That’s not a catchy slogan worked up following yet another cynical survey. It’s the cold, hard truth.
