The Hydra ~ Caro rears her head again

[jackcass]

My opening claim is a fact of what happened. Last years trade period and numerous comments by former staff, board members and GW all point to the fact that this didn’t come as some kind of surprise.

The footy dept where driving at 100kmh towards a cliff in an effort to win a premiership and the board did nothing to stop the calamity that ensued.
That is as irresponsible as corporate governance can get.

Nah, not fact, just opinion.

Get out from under your rock and have a look around and then explain which part of the salary cap issues is just my opinion.

That the club had salary cap issues isn't in dispute. That they were a looming disaster as you claim is purely opinion, as is all of the overly emotive rhetoric.

[MJ23]

^ yep. Correct

[Lone Ranger]

I was just having a look at the membership site .... why doesnt it state which memberships come with voting rights? Surely that should be listed in the package benefits.
Or is it still Social Club gets you voting rights?

[WhyPhilWhy?]

My understanding - any membership that contains social club access is a "voting" membership.

You're right though - the site should be more explicit.

[MatthewBoydFanClub]

I was just having a look at the membership site .... why doesnt it state which memberships come with voting rights? Surely that should be listed in the package benefits.
Or is it still Social Club gets you voting rights?

The simple answer is they don't want you to have voting rights. It's an exclusive club.

[RickyWatt23]

Social club membership alone doesn't get you voting rights - you need social club plus season ticket general admission for home games to be able to vote.

[Magpie Russ]

[i hate carlton]

I think that more casual fans should join and have voting rights. I would like to see more democratic decisions made in the interests of members and the club.

[MatthewBoydFanClub]

I think that more casual fans should join and have voting rights. I would like to see more democratic decisions made in the interests of members and the club.

I think what’s going to happen after the AGM when we have a new board is the club will review it’s membership packages to improve transparency over who has or hasn’t voting rights. Then it will be clearer when you buy a membership package that it will include social club privileges and voting rights. Unfortunately the 2022 membership packages had to be released before the AGM so I doubt any changes can be brought in time for the 2022 season.

[Wonka]

I'm sure that all of our current board members are well meaning people, trying to do their best for Collingwood. Nevertheless, there have been a number of demonstrative failures of governance, for which the whole Board needs to accept responsibility. They were:

1. The salary cap fiasco, resulting in the unceremonious sackings (as they didn't want to leave, that's what it was) of loyal senior players.

2. The attempt to blame Treloar's departure on his partner's netball career, and then to suggest the players did not like him. This was a disgrace.

3. The ignoring of claims of racism for far too long, followed by the attempt to bury the 'Do Better' report was unforgiveable, given our club's sorry record in this area.

4. The appointment of a non-Collingwood supporter to our board, who was then found to be ineligible to vote as she had not even been a member for the required period.

5. The appointment of another board member, who was found to be ineligible as he was an MCC, NOT a Collingwood social club member.

Now that we have a new coach and Wrighty seems to be doing such a great job as head of footy, some people seem to think we should just ignore the above list of failures of proper governance.

We now have a situation where a powerful businessman has demanded he become our President, and has carefully maneuvered himself into the position, in all likelihood without having to present a platform or face an election.

It seems that some people are fine with all of this. That's their right. I'm just not one of them.

I think you missed COVID-19 of the boards list of sins.

You can attempt to deflect attention from the board's problems through sarcastic comments, but which points in RudeBoy's entirely reasonable list of failures of governance do you actually dispute?

[pietillidie]

Let's not fall into a clueless revisionism when it comes to a board that has turned the club into a no-go destination. It is the desirability of a club for professional footballers, miles above any metric you care to name, that says it all. And we, I'm afraid, are hopelessly on the nose with the constituency that matters. Even worse, years of that has now undermined a once strong community brand, turning us into a joke rather than an organisation to be admired.

Why the hell would a seriously ambitious athlete or sensible kid want to play for us? Our best recruits are father-son because you have to be driven by something completely irrational to drop you kid off at Collingwood rather than another club. We have zero competitive advantage and a track record of tarnishing reputations, not building them.

"Come play for us! Invasive scrutiny, hysterical moral policing, organisational disrepute, personal brand devaluation and, above all, no chance of winning anything!"

Who the hell is responsible for that appalling state of affairs if not the board which oversaw its creation?

There's no point having a good coach if the rest doesn't change, and change dramatically.

[jackcass]

I'm sure that all of our current board members are well meaning people, trying to do their best for Collingwood. Nevertheless, there have been a number of demonstrative failures of governance, for which the whole Board needs to accept responsibility. They were:

1. The salary cap fiasco, resulting in the unceremonious sackings (as they didn't want to leave, that's what it was) of loyal senior players.

2. The attempt to blame Treloar's departure on his partner's netball career, and then to suggest the players did not like him. This was a disgrace.

3. The ignoring of claims of racism for far too long, followed by the attempt to bury the 'Do Better' report was unforgiveable, given our club's sorry record in this area.

4. The appointment of a non-Collingwood supporter to our board, who was then found to be ineligible to vote as she had not even been a member for the required period.

5. The appointment of another board member, who was found to be ineligible as he was an MCC, NOT a Collingwood social club member.

Now that we have a new coach and Wrighty seems to be doing such a great job as head of footy, some people seem to think we should just ignore the above list of failures of proper governance.

We now have a situation where a powerful businessman has demanded he become our President, and has carefully maneuvered himself into the position, in all likelihood without having to present a platform or face an election.

It seems that some people are fine with all of this. That's their right. I'm just not one of them.

I think you missed COVID-19 of the boards list of sins.

You can attempt to deflect attention from the board's problems through sarcastic comments, but which points in RudeBoy's entirely reasonable list of failures of governance do you actually dispute?

We’ll for a start, the last thing we need is the board dabbling in a football department decision like trading Treloar. That's apparently what enabled Beams to return. It’s nothing to do with governance.

Maybe if people got even those basics right then posters wouldn’t be reduced to sarcasm. Much of the rest of it is just half truths twisted to support a point of view.

[RudeBoy]

If you're happy with the current state of play jackcass, then that's fine. I wouldn't expect everyone to share my viewpoint. However, I'm not sure why you chose to accuse me of sarcasm and twisting things? I actually went out of my way to be as reasonable as I could, acknowledging at the beginning of my post that our board members are all good people trying to do their best for our club. I just happen to think there have been some quite momentous failures, which no-one has ever properly owned up and accepted responsibility for. That's a shame in my opinion. If mistakes are swept under the carpet and no-one takes responsibility for them, then they are likely to continue. I want our club to get better. Greater transparency and accountability would certainly assist us going forward.

[WhyPhilWhy?]

Eddie, Waslitz, Korda, Walsh, Bux, Harvey, Sanderson, White all gone in the last 2 years - sounds like at least some acknowledgement and taking responsibility to me.

[jackcass]

I was actually admitting to sarcasm rather than accusing you of it Rudey. But you’ve definitely twisted half truths. Even the claim of ignoring racism for too long and burying it in the Do Better Report. Expect better from you.

And exactly what is the current state of play? President and board members gone. Half the footy department gone. Coaching panel gone. How much more blood do you need before we sit back and assess where we’re at? How can you claim to know?