Post Match. Pies down to WC . All comments.

[Mr Miyagi]

[Mr Miyagi]

By the way, WC fans on their forums aren’t happy either and are saying similar criticisms about their players

[Return of the baldfacts]

For the second week in a row, it has been our inability to convert which has cost us. Our midfield was better than theirs, as it should have been given their personnel. However, their defence and attack was the difference. They stopped us from scoring and were scoring far too easily.

[didick]

Disappointing result today.

I knew this was going to be a danger game.

Had a Bad Feeling nearly all weak that we would lost this Game

$4 for the Weagles was great value. Crazy really.

[GreekLunatic]

Whens Roughead comming back please no more Magden also I think cox could be a better option then Cameron. WE rebuilding we will have ups and downs this year

[Quincy]

For the second week in a row, it has been our inability to convert which has cost us. Our midfield was better than theirs, as it should have been given their personnel. However, their defence and attack was the difference. They stopped us from scoring and were scoring far too easily.

Our mids were pretty shyte too. They got a bit of the ball without impacting it as the stats said they should have.

[Duff Soviet Union]

For the second week in a row, it has been our inability to convert which has cost us. Our midfield was better than theirs, as it should have been given their personnel. However, their defence and attack was the difference. They stopped us from scoring and were scoring far too easily.

Our mids were pretty shyte too. They got a bit of the ball without impacting it as the stats said they should have.

Josh Daicos in particular had a ton of ball on or just outside 50, and I think only one of them turned into a scoring chance (which Cameron missed).

[Pies4shaw]

^ I'm not gainsaying you - merely providing some further potentially relevant stats: Nick Daicos had 10 score involvements (the most of any Collingwood player - I expect that the usual chorus of morons on here who think that's irrelevant when it's Sidebottom or Grundy - "it just means that they picked up cheap possessions" - will be quelled by the fact that it "reflects Nick Daicos' influence on this game") and 5 inside 50s; Josh Daicos had 6 score involvements (Pendles with 8 was second and Josh was equal third with Crisp) but only 1 inside 50. Our inside 50 leaders were Crisp 9, Grundy 7, Maynard and Wilson 6 each and Nick Daicos with 5.

Just by the way, Crisp and Maynard each had 9 intercepts (the next best for us was 6), so it's fair to say that between them they played a lot of high-influence footy, both attacking and defending.

[Pies4shaw]

For the second week in a row, it has been our inability to convert which has cost us. Our midfield was better than theirs, as it should have been given their personnel. However, their defence and attack was the difference. They stopped us from scoring and were scoring far too easily.

I think we stopped ourselves from scoring. There was a fair bit of face-palm goal-kicking by Collingwood players again this week.

Perhaps the most telling statistic about forward-efficiency may be this: West Coast kicked 14 goals - the players who kicked 13 of those goals (Kennedy 3, Rioli 3, Darling 2, Ryan 2, Edwards, Langdon and Naish 1 each) did not kick any behinds and the other player (Waterman) kicked 1.1. By contrast, the Collingwood players who had the most shots on goal also had misses (Ginnivan 2.2, Mihocek 1.2 (and others that missed the lot), Cameron 1.1).

It is worth reflecting on the fact Kennedy had only 5 disposals for the day. 3 of them were goals. Cameron had 5 kicks and managed 1.1.

[Duff Soviet Union]

For the second week in a row, it has been our inability to convert which has cost us. Our midfield was better than theirs, as it should have been given their personnel. However, their defence and attack was the difference. They stopped us from scoring and were scoring far too easily.

I think we stopped ourselves from scoring. There was a fair bit of face-palm goal-kicking by Collingwood players again this week.

Perhaps the most telling statistic about forward-efficiency may be this: West Coast kicked 14 goals - the players who kicked 13 of those goals (Kennedy 3, Rioli 3, Darling 2, Ryan 2, Edwards, Langdon and Naish 1 each) did not kick any behinds and the other player (Waterman) kicked 1.1. By contrast, the Collingwood players who had the most shots on goal also had misses (Ginnivan 2.2, Mihocek 1.2 (and others that missed the lot), Cameron 1.1).

It is worth reflecting on the fact Kennedy had only 5 disposals for the day. 3 of them were goals. Cameron had 5 kicks and managed 1.1.

Other teams have great accuracy against us because we give up a ton of marks inside 50 which means relatively easy set shots. What would West Coast have kicked if their kicking for goal had been "average"? Maybe 12.5 or 13.4 instead of 14.3, not a huge difference. They weren't just pulling goals out of their arse from the boundary line or outside 50, they were just converting simple set shots from medium - short distances. Same as last week.

[Pies4shaw]

Is there much flesh on those particular bones? Mihocek took 5 marks inside 50 and Josh Daicos 3. In all, we took 13 and they took 12.

I agree it's about ball movement - but it's also about finishing. Many of our guys are very iffy in front of goal. Many of theirs are not.

So, eg, we kept them scoreless for nearly the first 20 minutes of the third quarter. We managed 2 goals and 3 behinds in that period of control. Kenney and Rilio then kicked 2 goals in about a minute. We then had another period of possession and kicked a further 1 goal and 1 behind. In the first 17 minutes of the last quarter, we managed just 3 behinds, while they went forward a couple of times and kicked 2 goals. Mihocek finally kicked a goal (from about a half a metre out, directly in front) and then they kicked 3 goals straight in about 5 minutes.

[mudlark]

I thought Magden was ok today. Might be in the minority. I feel like he gives 100% which or have to respect. Just a pity his 100% is like 60% of most.

You're definitely in mine. He was terrible. He may well GIVE 100% but he has no talent.

[LaurieHolden]

Whatever happens, we need to bring Steele Lazybottom in against the Lions this week. His run and carry have been sorely missed along with his 4 quarter efforts.

[Return of the baldfacts]

For the second week in a row, it has been our inability to convert which has cost us. Our midfield was better than theirs, as it should have been given their personnel. However, their defence and attack was the difference. They stopped us from scoring and were scoring far too easily.

I think we stopped ourselves from scoring. There was a fair bit of face-palm goal-kicking by Collingwood players again this week.

Perhaps the most telling statistic about forward-efficiency may be this: West Coast kicked 14 goals - the players who kicked 13 of those goals (Kennedy 3, Rioli 3, Darling 2, Ryan 2, Edwards, Langdon and Naish 1 each) did not kick any behinds and the other player (Waterman) kicked 1.1. By contrast, the Collingwood players who had the most shots on goal also had misses (Ginnivan 2.2, Mihocek 1.2 (and others that missed the lot), Cameron 1.1).

It is worth reflecting on the fact Kennedy had only 5 disposals for the day. 3 of them were goals. Cameron had 5 kicks and managed 1.1.

Other teams have great accuracy against us because we give up a ton of marks inside 50 which means relatively easy set shots. What would West Coast have kicked if their kicking for goal had been "average"? Maybe 12.5 or 13.4 instead of 14.3, not a huge difference. They weren't just pulling goals out of their arse from the boundary line or outside 50, they were just converting simple set shots from medium - short distances. Same as last week.

Actually 2 of Kennedy's goals were much harder shots then the sitters we were missing. He kicked one from outside 50 and another from the boundary line. Unfortunately Mihocek set the tone in the first when he marked between the goal and point post and his snap missed everything by 20 metres.

[the fuzz]

The way the commentators were carrying on, it was like WC just beat the premiership favourites!