Farewell #33 Jack Ginnivan

[the fuzz]

I loved how he did almost an entire lap after the game- high fiving and signing autographs. When he got to the cheersquad he pumped his fists to the crowd.
Love him!

[Cam]

Lloyd was 100% correct when he said Ginni needs more tricks. He has them, but needs to do them more. I would like to see him getting more crumbs and front and squares, because he is good at that, more handballs away from himself into space when tackled, more leads and double backs. Then the frees will/may start to flow again.

[Mr Miyagi]

Lloyd was 100% correct when he said Ginni needs more tricks. He has them, but needs to do them more. I would like to see him getting more crumbs and front and squares, because he is good at that, more handballs away from himself into space when tackled, more leads and double backs. Then the frees will/may start to flow again.

I agree with this and he does have more strings to his bow that he (and teammates to be fair with ball delivery) isn’t showing enough. I was a big rap for him when he first started playing in the twos, could see his potential a mile away. He’ll show us more, I’m sure of it. Fly’s not concerned.

[What'sinaname]

Lloyd was 100% correct when he said Ginni needs more tricks. He has them, but needs to do them more. I would like to see him getting more crumbs and front and squares, because he is good at that, more handballs away from himself into space when tackled, more leads and double backs. Then the frees will/may start to flow again.

He kicked 3 and could've kicked 5.

He is going to kick a huge bag of goals sometime soon. At some point, the opposition defenders will be so fixated on Mihocek, Elliot, JDG that's they'll have the wrong match up for Ginni and he'll put a really crooked number.

[SwansWay]

The media and the AFL are gaslighting us on this issue. I mean FFS they're scrutinising the footage like it's the Zapruder film of the JFK assassination.

"Back and to the left...his knee slightly bent blah blah."

Okay, now I'm no bio-mechanic but what athlete stands with their knees locked? Everybody's knees are bent if they're moving around. They've got everybody analyzing it to an unrealistic degree. I'd contend that there is no high tackle in the history of the game where the player being tackled doesn't bend their knees a touch.

It's only NOT a free kick if the player ducks by lowering significantly. Lowering the knee in the process of running or trying to evade IS NOT THE SAME THING!

Yet on the same weekend as Mason Redmond ripped Ginni's head off, we saw Tom Hawkins literally run into a Port player with his head down and winning a head high free. Something has got to be done because I'm tired of Hawkins drawing frees along with his captain and being above reproach.

In my humble opinion, what Ginni does is nowhere as bad as trying to push your head into another player to draw the free. Or accentuating a non-existent push and staging. The kid DOES NOT STAGE. He earns almost every free by taking the contact and being first to the footy.

Don't get me wrong. I personally get a bit annoyed when too many of his goals come from frees. He's much better than that. But to not pay anything now is akin to a prison guard being paid to look the other way while an inmate gets shanked right in front of them.

[scoobydoo]

Lloyd was 100% correct when he said Ginni needs more tricks. He has them, but needs to do them more. I would like to see him getting more crumbs and front and squares, because he is good at that, more handballs away from himself into space when tackled, more leads and double backs. Then the frees will/may start to flow again.

I agree with this and he does have more strings to his bow that he (and teammates to be fair with ball delivery) isn’t showing enough. I was a big rap for him when he first started playing in the twos, could see his potential a mile away. He’ll show us more, I’m sure of it. Fly’s not concerned.

The kids played 22 games. The tricks will come. Plenty of improvement in his game.

[slangman]

I absolutely love Fly and I think that he is the most significant Collingwood appointment since we secured MM in 1999.

But I think that he has tip toed a bit around this issue instead of making a firm stance from the moment the media began its crusade against Ginnivan.
Chris Scott defends Duckwood and Hawkins in the media and makes it known in an aggressive manner that attacking his players will not be tolerated by him.
This as we know leads to the media becoming frightened of Scott and hence
they don’t make a song and dance about the player who has received over 850 free kicks in his career with at least half for high contact.

Time for Fly to not sit on the “sometimes they go our way, sometimes they don’t” and “umpires make mistakes” soft stance because this is now way beyond ridiculous and very very personal towards Ginnivan.
This is his first major test as coach and I really hope that he makes it known that Collingwood WILL NOT stand by and watch this young player get crucified by the umpires, media and AFL!!!

Enough is enough!

[piffdog]

^^^^

I think yesterdays presser was the first time we have seen him (“enough is enough”) actually be a little more forceful with the media. I think he will get better at this but I agree he has been fairy polite and easy going with the media up until now.

We don’t know what the club has said/done with the league internally but I could imagine someone like Jeff Browne getting stuck into Gil or Wright to Brad Scott on a private phone call. Those types of conversations will never be in the public domain.

[What'sinaname]

Forget high tackles, the umpires in the Richmond game have asked for a goal review for a decision that they had already overturned through a free kick.

Umpiring is in a bad state.

[Mr Miyagi]

Forget high tackles, the umpires in the Richmond game have asked for a goal review for a decision that they had already overturned through a free kick.

Umpiring is in a bad state.

That was a shocker alright. AFL bosses will just dig their heels in and wonder why they’re struggling to recruit new umpires

[Meredith1965]

Ginnivan was umpired well yesterday. And he tried far less to milk free kicks. And he kicked three goals (and should have had 4 but for a regrettable skill error). All of these are related, I think.

[Presti35]

Ginnivan is a saint

[stui magpie]

32 goals for the year, 2 behind checkers. he'd be the leading goalkicker at Freo and norf.

[eddiesmith]

If you are referring to the contest with 8:27 left in Q2, it was a clear holding the man. There was no locking of arms or flopping in that play.

If you were an umpire, umpiring would be worse than what it currently is.

Btw it was actually about 5 minutes to go, 8:27 was the high shot where he got pinged HTB!

But yes there was absolutely no locking of the arms in that instance, it was however one of my pet peeves I hate players doing and I personally never pay the free kick either!

[eddiesmith]

32 goals for the year, 2 behind checkers. he'd be the leading goalkicker at Freo and norf.

If he played for the Bulldogs he'd be leading the Coleman with all the free kicks he'd get