Indigenous Voice to Parliament

[think positive]

thats really cool. love the grandson stories!

well im swaying, not sure where i will land at present. few life changing things happening, so, well, im looking at things differently! cheers

[stui magpie]

Any specific questions that can help, let me know.

[think positive]

Any specific questions that can help, let me know.

cheers, thanks, i will have a think about it and another look at whats out there xx

[pietillidie]

Great stuff, Stui. Independence comes from adults respecting boundaries like that. I grew up in the very opposite environment, where adults projected their social paranoias on me: "Don't do/say that, people will think I...."

I shudder thinking back.

[Magpietothemax]

[David]

Oh yeah, that guy’s a real piece of work.

Apparently also responsible for the "millennials need to stop eating avo toast" thing from a few years back. I guess he likes playing the heel!

[think positive]

Oh yeah, that guy’s a real piece of work.

Apparently also responsible for the "millennials need to stop eating avo toast" thing from a few years back. I guess he likes playing the heel!

Well there’s a reason to bring hanging back, long live avo toast!

[Magpietothemax]

"discriminatory" alcohol ban, yet it clearly worked.

Is it right to change a law for ideological reasons when the evidence strongly shows that the law had helped achieve it's desired purpose?

I really hope The Voice referendum gets up, in the currently suggested form which lets Parliament legislate how it works which means they can tweak and change it when they inevitably **** it up in the first few goes or as time passes and revamp is required.

I'm losing confidence in Albo's ability to achieve that.

You should lose confidence in Albanese, because his government is rightly hated and mistrusted. Btw, I am not a ''Liberal". there is a crisis of rule atm, both mainstream parties are justifiably despised.

[stui magpie]

Albo is hated and mistrusted?

Probably by the hard core Liberals, but in general no more than any other politician.

Despite his cockups and complete mishandling of The Voice referendum, he's shaping as probably the best PM we've had since Howard.

[Tannin]

People of voting age or over:

Aboriginal Australians: 590 thousand out of 17.5 million = 3.2%
Aboriginal Senators and Members of Parliament: 11 out of 227 = 4.8%

So we are proposing a constitutional change to "improve" the representation of a group of people who are already over-represented by 50%.

Now those eight Aboriginal Senators and 3 Aboriginal MHRs stood for Parliament and won their seats fair and square. Good luck to them. And if even more win seats next time, good for them. That's democracy at work.

I very likely voted for some of them myself - and I can't tell you for sure either way because I paid no attention at the time because don't give a damn whether my local member is Aboriginal or Greek or Vietnamese or gay or married or young or old or male or trans female or or tall or short, I just care about their honesty and grasp of policy.

Anyway, anyone who reckons a group which is already 50% over-represented needs even more representatives has rocks in his or her head.

[stui magpie]

Politicians are elected to represent their electorate, not their race (or religion, or gender or anything else). Those Indigenous politicians weren't elected because of their race and aren't there to represent it.

The Voice is about First Nations Peoples choosing people to specifically represent them on an advisory committee which will make recommendations to the Government in regard to policy pertaining to First Nations Peoples.

[Bucks5]

It's a bit like how the Minister of Indigenous Affairs says that she cannot wait for the Voice to be voted in so she can fix up the issues of healthcare and education/truancy in remote Indigenous areas.

If she knows there are issues, why wait for the Voice? Why hasn't she been proactive and formed working parties with the local Indigenous leaders to work on the problems now.

[Magpietothemax]

It's a bit like how the Minister of Indigenous Affairs says that she cannot wait for the Voice to be voted in so she can fix up the issues of healthcare and education/truancy in remote Indigenous areas.

If she knows there are issues, why wait for the Voice? Why hasn't she been proactive and formed working parties with the local Indigenous leaders to work on the problems now.

Great questions. And the answer is simple: she knows, like every other politician, that the Voice is a gigantic hoax, and will do absolutely nothing- like all the previous parliamentary "initiatives" and commissions , to address the excruciating poverty that the vast majority of aboriginal people are forced to endure. All she cares about, and all the Albanese government cares about, is establishing a veneer of "progressiveness" for its right wing, militaristic program by getting the Voice referendum through. [/quote]

[stui magpie]

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FMD, now Albo is Right wing?

It's a bit like how the Minister of Indigenous Affairs says that she cannot wait for the Voice to be voted in so she can fix up the issues of healthcare and education/truancy in remote Indigenous areas.

If she knows there are issues, why wait for the Voice? Why hasn't she been proactive and formed working parties with the local Indigenous leaders to work on the problems now.

If she said that, it's a pretty dumb thing to say as healthcare and education are the States responsibility to manage, the Feds just provide funds. It's the state (and territory) governments who should have been working with the local Indigenous leaders.

So, If she said that, there's 3 possible reasons why.

1. She's an idiot
2. It's a marketing piece, ill advised, trying to sell the Voice by pushing potential benefits
3. She genuinely thinks that, given opportunity, The Voice could come up with some proposals that the Feds could then hand over to the relevant state/territory, ask them to implement them and provide some funding to do so.

My personal view would be a little of all 3.

[Magpietothemax]

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FMD, now Albo is Right wing?

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And you think he is not??