A recap on the players cut loose...
and a comment on uncontracted players that are left.
Collingwood cut ties with quintet following premiership success
https://www.zerohanger.com/collingwood- ... es-144330/
What are our chances for 2024?
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Take_a_Screamer
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I would think our chances to contend next year are excellent. We should have won this year by 5 goals or more. Apart from bobby hill, the rest of the forward line contributed 1 goal.
Hopefully we can improve there. With 5 or 6 players leaving, 5 or 6 will come in, plus mcstay, Johnson and Kruger have some ability
Hopefully we can improve there. With 5 or 6 players leaving, 5 or 6 will come in, plus mcstay, Johnson and Kruger have some ability
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LaurieHolden
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I reckon there's no reason we can't have another tilt. Been listening to Macrae speeches ad iterum. Bung still fizzing.
Then where Leppitsch* brought in his 3x Premiership medals to the boys and said if they liked this feeling, then keep going.
*"The players have to buy in because if they don't buy in you don't get the result."
*"It takes everyone to be pushing in the same direction and we've got that."
What other Clubs have this going on? Adelaide, GWS, Hawthorn are the only other environments where I can sense the playing group is as invested.
With Ed Allen, Finn Macrae, Ash Johnson and Harvey Harrison knocking down the door for a regular spot in 2024, I can't see us falling too far.
I still see our biggest risk are our defensive talls. If Moore goes down for a block of games or longer, my confidence goes with it.
Murphy is one concussion away from time being called on his career. I read where a journo who had connections in the head trauma space view that he's already passed that point.
As a result, I believe we haven't seen the last of G.Wright's list management masterclass. Nor what D.Hine is going to throw into the mix.
I reckon they've still got a surprise in stall for us. Wright will either hand Hine a higher 1st round pick or they'll pull in a player that might be dislodged from their contract early as part of the Taylor Adams trade currency we receive, hopefully their second-round pick 23 / 815 points.
FWIW, I reckon Jeremy Howe will call time. Going out a Premiership player would be a fair epitaph to a 233-game career.
If all of that happens, we might have the cap space and trade currency to negotiate for Tom Barrass from WCE.
Then where Leppitsch* brought in his 3x Premiership medals to the boys and said if they liked this feeling, then keep going.
*"The players have to buy in because if they don't buy in you don't get the result."
*"It takes everyone to be pushing in the same direction and we've got that."
What other Clubs have this going on? Adelaide, GWS, Hawthorn are the only other environments where I can sense the playing group is as invested.
With Ed Allen, Finn Macrae, Ash Johnson and Harvey Harrison knocking down the door for a regular spot in 2024, I can't see us falling too far.
I still see our biggest risk are our defensive talls. If Moore goes down for a block of games or longer, my confidence goes with it.
Murphy is one concussion away from time being called on his career. I read where a journo who had connections in the head trauma space view that he's already passed that point.
As a result, I believe we haven't seen the last of G.Wright's list management masterclass. Nor what D.Hine is going to throw into the mix.
I reckon they've still got a surprise in stall for us. Wright will either hand Hine a higher 1st round pick or they'll pull in a player that might be dislodged from their contract early as part of the Taylor Adams trade currency we receive, hopefully their second-round pick 23 / 815 points.
FWIW, I reckon Jeremy Howe will call time. Going out a Premiership player would be a fair epitaph to a 233-game career.
If all of that happens, we might have the cap space and trade currency to negotiate for Tom Barrass from WCE.
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LaurieHolden
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Based on Fly's speech at the Copeland last nigh, any player who over celebrates and comes back to training in less than optimal condition is going to get flogged on the track and spend time in the magoos.
We have hungry young options ready to step in, I don't see a premiership hangover. My view is that Fly will train over preseason is to lift the scoring rate without sacrificing defence. We have the last 3 minute switches he can play and the best playing coach in history in Pendles, 2024 will be about not needing to be in close situations in the last 3 minutes.
McStay missed a large chunk of the season, he'll be hungry.
I'm predicting a Collingwood Carlton GF, Pies by 17 points.
We have hungry young options ready to step in, I don't see a premiership hangover. My view is that Fly will train over preseason is to lift the scoring rate without sacrificing defence. We have the last 3 minute switches he can play and the best playing coach in history in Pendles, 2024 will be about not needing to be in close situations in the last 3 minutes.
McStay missed a large chunk of the season, he'll be hungry.
I'm predicting a Collingwood Carlton GF, Pies by 17 points.
Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down.
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Jezza
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Fly's speech at the B&F has got me excited again.
The impression I conveyed from his speech is the belief from him and the coaching panel that we're contending again next year. Being the hunted changes the dynamic of how teams perceive us, but I noted earlier that I see a highly motivated group that wants further success.
Fly has been a part of teams that have won consecutive Premierships going back to his days as a player at Brisbane and obviously being an assistant at Richmond in more recent times.
He knows what's required to keep motivation levels high and to back up a successful campaign.
The impression I conveyed from his speech is the belief from him and the coaching panel that we're contending again next year. Being the hunted changes the dynamic of how teams perceive us, but I noted earlier that I see a highly motivated group that wants further success.
Fly has been a part of teams that have won consecutive Premierships going back to his days as a player at Brisbane and obviously being an assistant at Richmond in more recent times.
He knows what's required to keep motivation levels high and to back up a successful campaign.
| 1902 | 1903 | 1910 | 1917 | 1919 | 1927 | 1928 | 1929 | 1930 | 1935 | 1936 | 1953 | 1958 | 1990 | 2010 | 2023 | To get anywhere near the 2024 Grand Final we have to improve. As they say, if we don't improve we'll be going backwards. How do we improve?
Firstly there's the draft. It's rare to have a first year player step into the side (Hello Nick Daicos) but it's possible. I'm not sure what we'll get for Taylor Adams (21 would be nice but 31 is more likely) but we should unearth some diamonds in our draft pickings.
Then, our younger players have to be given more game time. At the Copeland Jakob Ryan was declared to be the best first year player. That's embarrassing. Nothing against Jakob but if the best first year player is a player who played just one half of one quarter in total for the season, then something is wrong. Ed Allen, Jakob Ryan and Finn Macrae have to be given opportunities. Then there's Charlie Dean. They may be needed if there are injuries. They will certainly be needed in the not too distant future when our older players start retiring.
Then, we have to draft a power forward. We haven't had one since Travis Cloke. They don't grow on trees and they're not easy to find, or draft, or trade for. But we have to. It was a superb team performance to win the premiership with Miocek being the sole genuine forward. Jamie Elliott had a poor finals series and Ginnivan hasn't shown he can be a dangerous forward for a whole game. McCreery has potential but Kreuger is too injury prone. Ash Johnson has talent but he's too inconsistent. Lightning doesn't strike twice and if we can't shore up our forward line it will be difficult to contend again.
Then, we need another midfielder. Taylor Adams will be missed. Some on here have said that we didn't miss him this finals series and we won the flag without him. Yes we did, but would we have beaten Melbourne in the Qualifying Final without him? He played really well that day. He's a good finals player. And what if Tom Mitchell gets injured? Now, any of Allan, Macrae, McInnes or Carmichael might turn out to be that player but we should also try to draft an inside mid.
I'm confident that our coach will re-instil the right mind-set but the team has to be fine-tuned.
Firstly there's the draft. It's rare to have a first year player step into the side (Hello Nick Daicos) but it's possible. I'm not sure what we'll get for Taylor Adams (21 would be nice but 31 is more likely) but we should unearth some diamonds in our draft pickings.
Then, our younger players have to be given more game time. At the Copeland Jakob Ryan was declared to be the best first year player. That's embarrassing. Nothing against Jakob but if the best first year player is a player who played just one half of one quarter in total for the season, then something is wrong. Ed Allen, Jakob Ryan and Finn Macrae have to be given opportunities. Then there's Charlie Dean. They may be needed if there are injuries. They will certainly be needed in the not too distant future when our older players start retiring.
Then, we have to draft a power forward. We haven't had one since Travis Cloke. They don't grow on trees and they're not easy to find, or draft, or trade for. But we have to. It was a superb team performance to win the premiership with Miocek being the sole genuine forward. Jamie Elliott had a poor finals series and Ginnivan hasn't shown he can be a dangerous forward for a whole game. McCreery has potential but Kreuger is too injury prone. Ash Johnson has talent but he's too inconsistent. Lightning doesn't strike twice and if we can't shore up our forward line it will be difficult to contend again.
Then, we need another midfielder. Taylor Adams will be missed. Some on here have said that we didn't miss him this finals series and we won the flag without him. Yes we did, but would we have beaten Melbourne in the Qualifying Final without him? He played really well that day. He's a good finals player. And what if Tom Mitchell gets injured? Now, any of Allan, Macrae, McInnes or Carmichael might turn out to be that player but we should also try to draft an inside mid.
I'm confident that our coach will re-instil the right mind-set but the team has to be fine-tuned.
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23 YIPPEE!!!
Steven May's view:
https://twitter.com/laceoutofficial/sta ... 4332832243
Mebbe that's why they didn't present 5th place at Copeland night. Don't want players giving oppo ammo!
https://twitter.com/laceoutofficial/sta ... 4332832243
Mebbe that's why they didn't present 5th place at Copeland night. Don't want players giving oppo ammo!
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In 2023 the hunger was evident after not feasting for 13 years. This hunger leads to the team to be manic, doing the 1%’s and going the extra step when tackling or applying pressure. The best version of themselves will be different to this season and their challenge is to perform accordingly.
Can they go to the well and fill up again in 2024? I think they can but they need to do the hard work and keep improving because no team sits still.
Can they go to the well and fill up again in 2024? I think they can but they need to do the hard work and keep improving because no team sits still.
I term the current Collingwood attack based strategy “Unceasing Waves” like on a stormy and windy day with rough seas. A Perfect Storm 
