CEO Craig Kelly accused of racism

[Piesnchess]

Sounds like an unfair dismissal claim, lodged by this jerk, and to sweeten the pot,he threw in the old kick the racist remarks can on Ned, to get more cash. Unless you have witnesses, (like Hawthorn) to racist comments, or tape record it, its you word against the accused, and the accused can only deny it, but the accuser of these allegations, hopes that mud will stick, and sadly it will, on Ned. Of course silks and hotshot Lawyers love this legal endess shit, it is what drives their miserable lives, always has. I just hope this storm in teacup, has no effect on our players, and especially on our Pendles.

[Mr Miyagi]

^any article to cover his response?

It’ll be on 7 news, mate. They ran it this morning.

[Piesnchess]

Magpie hater slobbo Robbo will be onto this like flies on a rib roast, the jerk who ran with untrue drug allegations few yrs back, prior to round 1, that derailed our season a fair bit. Ol Caro will be salivating too, any thing to bring the Pies down, after her Richmond's dreadful season. ! Newspapers are dying, fact, daily sales have crashed, last week the editor of the HUN was sacked, an many more "journos" will follow, papers are now losing millions of dollars, Lachlan Murdoch wants them wound up, when he gets Newscorps empire from Daddy, Robbo may well be one of em gone, and the author of this drivel. Hope so.!

[stui magpie]

Michael Warner a Richmond supporter needs something to write because they are crap. It seems now a day you can't do anything not to offend anyone also if it was dealt six months ago why did it come to light now

My understanding was the papers were lodged with the court on Monday, which was when the story was broken.

Whether the Herald Sun has someone watching court listings or whether Cleavers lawyers gave the Herald Sun a call to tip them off, I couldn't say.

[Damien]

Sounds like the old classic ‘he wasn’t doing a good job, got sacked and now he’s seeking retribution’. Craig Kelly is old school but he’s far too processional, experienced and wise to be doing that sort of stuff.

[winpies]

I call utter bullshit, and by the way, just imagine if golden Geelong child, Stengle, had been JDG, imagine the headlines then, the hysterics, just imagine, but cos its sleepy hollow city, get swept under the carpet. pffft !

This!!!

[shawthing]

Just like the disgusting incident at Hawthorn where Fagan and Clarkson were defamed by a person or persons who retain their anonymity. It's about time that the law makes a point of jailing people who raise false allegations and/or let them be sued out of existence. This whole racism thing has gone too far. The idea that if someone "thinks" something is racist then it must be is a crock. I know someone who lost her job because a person accused her of racism in the workplace. The allegations were totally BS but the HR department said, "Sorry, she thinks it's racist, so it is." FMD!! I hate Woke society. But people are waking up to the con.

The Channel Seven news last night said the accuser was a "person who identified as a Palawa (indigenous person from Tasmania)". How can you "identify" as indigenous. Either through DNA you ARE indigenous or you are full of s**t.

[Durka]

I'd love to be able to read the actual documents lodged with the court to try to understand exactly what section of which legislation this claim comes under.

It's not unfair dismissal, that goes to fair work Australia, he's already been there.

It's not unlawful dismissal, at least there's nothing in the parts quoted about the reasons for his termination.

They seem to be trying to paint a picture of systematic discrimination and throwing Race, Gender, Sexual Orientation and Disability all into the pot, with elements of workplace bullying.

So it's been through an internal investigation with independent external oversight for no result, Vic Pol hasn't taken any action, the AFL Integrity unit were over it and handed it back to the club to deal with (and you'd assume they were appraised of the result of the internal investigation) and it got no where at FWA.

Smells to me like slinging mud of multiple types in multiple directions hoping to hit one target hard enough to illicit a cash settlement.

He was there for around 6 months so he may have been a probationary employee, so no unfair dismissal claim is available.
Still has a claim for termination based on prohibited reasons though - race, sexual preference, disability etc.
I don't know this person, but he is against not just Kelly, but Browne, who says that he sacked him for dishonesty.
Good to see that Browne said they fill fight it and go to judgement.
Ned will get the chance to defend himself.
My guess is the claim will be withdrawn before then.

[Durka]

Just like the disgusting incident at Hawthorn where Fagan and Clarkson were defamed by a person or persons who retain their anonymity. It's about time that the law makes a point of jailing people who raise false allegations and/or let them be sued out of existence. This whole racism thing has gone too far. The idea that if someone "thinks" something is racist then it must be is a crock. I know someone who lost her job because a person accused her of racism in the workplace. The allegations were totally BS but the HR department said, "Sorry, she thinks it's racist, so it is." FMD!! I hate Woke society. But people are waking up to the con.

The Channel Seven news last night said the accuser was a "person who identified as a Palawa (indigenous person from Tasmania)". How can you "identify" as indigenous. Either through DNA you ARE indigenous or you are full of s**t.

No DNA tests required or necessary to be indigenous.
If you identify that way and are accepted as indigenous by other indigenous, you are in.
See Bruce Pascoe

[qldmagpie67]

The presidents comments today where very strong
He said the complainant was dismissed for dishonest behaviour basically
One wonders the timing of this
He left in May and waits until the week of Pendles 400th the biggest milestone in our clubs history (player wise) to lodge his claim
Instead of the footy focus being on the club and Pendles for all the positive reasons it’s now a shit show

[Mr Miyagi]

The presidents comments today where very strong
He said the complainant was dismissed for dishonest behaviour basically
One wonders the timing of this
He left in May and waits until the week of Pendles 400th the biggest milestone in our clubs history (player wise) to lodge his claim
Instead of the footy focus being on the club and Pendles for all the positive reasons it’s now a shit show

Got a hunch there was communication between media and lawyers previously, and lawyers decided or instructed by client to lodge this week of all weeks for maximum impact on the club. I don’t think it’s a coincidence it’s the week of Pendlebury’s 400th

[Skids]

Sounds like Cleaver has a few undiagnosed mental conditions as well as his stated ones.
Absolutely stinks that some disgruntled clown can just hurl shit at someone with nothing more than gibberish accusations.
Of course, even if Ned has done Absolutely nothing wrong, there'll be some tacky hand out given to the poor soul.

[Tarrant_in_the_pocket]

Long time lurker, old school member. Come out to play every so often.

Opinion: The accusor has a history of being a professional pest. A quick google search will reveil "their" victim mentality,

"Being queer, disabled and Indigenous wont stop Mark Cleaver from realising potential"

To me, I think the club made a mistake hiring him in the first place, especially when im sure there would be far more capable, less unhinged individuals, seeking employment with the greatest club in the land.

Having indigenous people in the club is important - actually vital- but sadly, people such as the aforementioned with their omnipresent victim mentality and poor bugger me entitlement attitude do nothing but disadvantage the people who should be benefiting from it.

[The Black and White Lion]

Couldn't care less about the Murdoch's but I note from reading the statements aired on the AFL site and in the ABC news, CFC doesn't deny the events occurred but states that it acted lawfully. One of the event descriptions includes a third party who could be called as a witness. I would hope the CFC internal investigation and any external investigation they did (VicPol or whomever) interviewed the witness to confirm the facts. It could be difficult if this goes to court and a witness testimony were inconsistent with CFCs version of the events.

Either way, if google warriors can find and assess the accuser's character and employment history, the CFC HR department has it's work cut out for it because they did hire this individual to start with.

A couple of other Maurice Blackburn lawyer connections for you.
- Former Pies and North Melbourne exec Eugene Arocca ascended through MB.
- MB used to sponsor 'The Verdict' with Riley Beveridge and Michael Christian explaining the MRO's charges from the weekend.
- MB acted for Wayne Carey when he tried to use a disability defence for taking excessive pain killers and going nuts at the Perth Casino.
- MB acted for CFC to produce the articles of law for the change in name to Collingwood Football Club Limited in 2021; and
- Both MB and CFC are members of the Diversity Council of Australia.

[stui magpie]

@Tarrant_in_the_pocket

Is this the article you refer to? https://nit.com.au/16-04-2022/2966/bein ... -potential

There's nothing there that automatically screams victim mentality to me, maybe a bit of misplaced entitlement though. Being bought onto projects to provide speciality specific input but being excluded from a broader role in the project is hardly unusual but he complains about being used.

Certainly a masters in HR Management isn't the qualification id be looking for in a strategic project role though so it certainly does seem a strange hire, but the cupboard isn't exactly overflowing when you go looking to recruit First Nations people who are qualified for that kind of role. That's why the default position would be to hire the best qualified non-indigenous person with the expectation that they extensively consult with relevant and appropriate First Nations Peoples.

As a side note, in my last job I managed 2 young people who each had a Masters in HR and they were green as grass. If they'd skipped Uni completely and came in straight from high school I could have got them to the same level in 6 months.