The Hydra ~ Caro rears her head again

[Zakal]

I agree with her on that point though.

How can they fight so vehemently to protect the identity of KNOWN perpetrators, and not do enough to call for calm until even charges were laid?

Though as you say, she's a hypocrite just like them after all that Tarrant stuff.

For once i agree with Acker on this point, name those who test twice.

It wasnt a slip up that they have learned from.

We all pretty much have formed an opinion on who they were anyway, so why not clear the names of those who also have a shadow over their names.

[woodys_world69]

this is pathetic by AFL

these players MUST be made public.......footballers make ALL there money from the public watching the game

MEMBERSHIP
GATE COSTS
MARKETING

If it was a collingwood player, i would want to know were my hard earned membership and gate fee money was going to!

[Tannin]

There is no question of performance enhancing drugs, merely recreational, it was out of competition anyway: the AFL has no business whatever doing the tests in the first place. It's a bloody disgrace, especially from an organisation that has accepted a massive pile of dollars over the years from drug companies such as CUB - companies which, by the way, manufacture and advertise the drug that causes the second highest death rate of any drug in Australia.

[Bucks5]

People have the right to know.

It's worse when Newsbreaks show Collingwood training footage while talking about this story. People automatically assume it must be a collingwood player when we all know the three are from interstate....

[jeff corfe]

There is no question of performance enhancing drugs, merely recreational, it was out of competition anyway: the AFL has no business whatever doing the tests in the first place. It's a bloody disgrace, especially from an organisation that has accepted a massive pile of dollars over the years from drug companies such as CUB - companies which, by the way, manufacture and advertise the drug that causes the second highest death rate of any drug in Australia.

What a marvellous comment
And how true it really is...The AFL is only too happy to promote CUB who's product has caused more damage and deaths and misery in our society most probably more than any other illicit recreational drugs use.

AFL=DICKHEADS!!

[KYPREO]

The fact is that a drug test is a medical test, which was voluntarily submitted to only on the basis of certain promises being made.

The players voluntarily submitted to a medical testing scheme on the basis their confidentiality would be protected unless tested positive a third time.

No matter how much of a right to know you think you have, the fact remains that the players would not have submitted to drug tests in their first place had they known a 1st or 2nd positive result would end up being made public.

The AFL had to do everything within its power to give effect to its promise of confidentiality. There is merit to the argument about drugs in sport and alcohol sponsorship, but as for this topic. This was intended to be about journalistic hypocrisy, not the AFL suppression case (there's another thread on that).

[nomadjack]

Agree with you 100% Kypreo. The analogy with the Milne/Montagna allegations is also a complete furphy. Those allegations arose in a context that had nothing to do with the AFL which is why the latter had no right or interest in supression. In contrast, the positive drug test results were returned solely and directly as a result of the AFL's out of competition drug testing regime, which relies fundamentally on a players right to privacy until a positive test is returned on a third occasion. Publication of the players names would have completely undermined the players support for out of competition testing and ended it. Caro is being a complete tool by linking the two issues. Nothing more than self-interest and sour grapes.

[Nutmeg]

It's definitely a contrast to the way the NRL do things.......

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,865 ... 14,00.html

[woe_is_me]

I have no problem with the CUB supplied "drugs"!!

Peoples inability to control themselves is what causes the problems.

Alcohol in moderation is not a problem.

[Zakal]

Agree with you 100% Kypreo. The analogy with the Milne/Montagna allegations is also a complete furphy. Those allegations arose in a context that had nothing to do with the AFL which is why the latter had no right or interest in supression. In contrast, the positive drug test results were returned solely and directly as a result of the AFL's out of competition drug testing regime, which relies fundamentally on a players right to privacy until a positive test is returned on a third occasion. Publication of the players names would have completely undermined the players support for out of competition testing and ended it. Caro is being a complete tool by linking the two issues. Nothing more than self-interest and sour grapes.

Well technically its not an AFL initiative either, it was forced upon them by WADA. The players had no choice but to submit, just as the AFL really had no choice.

It was forced down everyones throats by a threat of severe financial penalties if we failed to comply. Everyones livelihood was threatened, if the AFL didnt start the testing programs in line with WADA, it would receive a huge financial hit....and once it was adopted by teh AFL, the players had to submit, or they wouldnt be allowed to play.

Their insistance on privacy was not exactly the consideration in implementing the tests, as they had to go ahead regardless of any 'deal' reached with the players due to the gun WADA was holding to everyones heads.

[Syd_Magpies_Girl]

I have no problem with the CUB supplied "drugs"!!

Peoples inability to control themselves is what causes the problems.

Alcohol in moderation is not a problem.

Not everyone thinks that far ahead though unfortunately, and it makes it harder for alcoholics. A lot of people out there don't have self control and it's a shame.

I think the point address about CUB was the fact that alcohol is proven to harm your body in the long term....so if they are trying to set an example etc, why is being promoted.

Well...the question will always remained unanswered.

Just take a look at the constant sales of ciggarettes, even though it's proven to kill you, they are still allowed to sell this 'drug' because it always comes down to money. Money and greed prevails, peoples well-being doesn't.

[Culprit]

c'mon we already know who the three players are, if you don't where have you been on another planet..lol

The AFL's problem is that they discovered there is many people that use drugs whp actually play football.

[Zeke]

The AFL is only too happy to promote CUB who's product has caused more damage and deaths and misery in our society most probably more than any other illicit recreational drugs use.

I thought it was the gay community that has caused all the death and misery!?

Make up your mind, Joffa.

[Syd_Magpies_Girl]

c'mon we already know who the three players are, if you don't where have you been on another planet..lol

The AFL's problem is that they discovered there is many people that use drugs whp actually play football.

Yeah some people know, not everyone does that supports AFL. I refuse to believe things until official statements have been made. Sick of hearing grapevine bullcrap, for once people want to hear facts, not newspaper reports and speculation from internet forum board FFS.

The AFL should of made an official statement. I can't understand the protection to players because it was voluntary, but either way, they still did the wrong thing. They should know better.

[Culprit]

Whatever any worker choices to do in their own time is none of their employers buisness. If it affects their performance or work they won't get a game or be dismissed. Drug testing is in place for people driving buses etc as to protect others.

Using illicit drugs is illegal and a criminal matter and all cases should be handed to the police. The players are above the law as they get three warnings and then face suspension, not conviction. It's a laughable situation.