The Hydra ~ Caro rears her head again

[Syd_Magpies_Girl]

Yes it is laughable it's quite ridiculous. I definately agree there.

Meh, I blame the AFL. Why should people be given 3 chances? They'll just do it again. It's stupid. Why don't they pop their tit out of these boys mouths and quit babying them.

[Tannin]

Whatever any worker choices to do in their own time is none of their employers buisness. If it affects their performance or work they won't get a game or be dismissed. Drug testing is in place for people driving buses etc as to protect others.

Absolutely 100% correct so far, Culprit.

Using illicit drugs is illegal and a criminal matter and all cases should be handed to the police. The players are above the law as they get three warnings and then face suspension, not conviction. It's a laughable situation.

But your second para is nonsense! They haven't been tested by the police, there is, never has been, and never will be a legal requirement for a non-police/law person to report law-breaking (except in certain, very restricted circumstances), and the tests didn't come about because they fell under reasonable suspicion of an officer of the law, they were simply imposed, against the will of the players, by their employer. (Itself under pressure from an outside body which has no business meddling in non-performance enhancing drugs anyway.)

[Culprit]

If you or I got caught using illicit drugs, we would not get three warnings.

[nomadjack]

[Well technically its not an AFL initiative either, it was forced upon them by WADA. The players had no choice but to submit, just as the AFL really had no choice. ]

Not correct Zakal. The out of competition testing component of the AFL's drug code, which is the part the three were nabbed under, is over and above WADA requirements and is purely an AFL initiative. WADA only requires that 'in-competition' drug testing took place. This is why the privacy issue is so important because effectively, the out of competition testing regime relies on the goodwill of the players association and the players.

If anonymity in the case of the first two positives cannot be guaranteed by the AFL, there is no way the players will sign up for it again, and under the WADA code and the federal governments funding arrangements (this was the big stick the AFL were beaten into complying with WADA with), they won't be compelled to.

The WADA guidelines are a load of bullshit and in many respects are actually a lot weaker than the AFL's initial drug-testing guidelines. Unfortunately the AFL capitulated in the face of a scare-campaign run by WADA through ill-informed journalists and a federal minister who either didn't understand the policy-issues, or more likely saw an opportunity to make a few cheap political points by playing the 'tough on drugs' card.

[Syd_Magpies_Girl]

If you or I got caught using illicit drugs, we would not get three warnings.

Exactly.

[nomadjack]

Culprit, if the players get caught by the police for illicit drug use they don't get three warnings either. If you want the same standards to apply to everyone fine - make everyone subject to randon drug testing at any time in their private lives, and if they get caught three times, tell their boss.

[Culprit]

Culprit, if the players get caught by the police for illicit drug use they don't get three warnings either. If you want the same standards to apply to everyone fine - make everyone subject to randon drug testing at any time in their private lives, and if they get caught three times, tell their boss.

Your missing my point, I actuially don't care if they use drugs. I am more annoyed at the AFL setting a standard and they then keep the information to themselves after they find them positive. And sorry AFL footballers can get away with most criminal offences unlike you or I.

[PeterWH]

I feel with this drugs caper that it should be up to the club concerned not the League or governing body.
We had an incident like this up in Qld with the Thugby League and also here in NSW and the NRL stepped back and let the club take care of the hassles and consequently a player from Nrth Queenlsand Cowboys & also Cronulla both tore up the players contracts and sent them on their way...the AFL should do the same thing.
We dont get much infor up here except for what we get on Fox Footy and guess what at the end of next month well we wont get it any more.....

[Culprit]

I feel with this drugs caper that it should be up to the club concerned not the League or governing body.
We had an incident like this up in Qld with the Thugby League and also here in NSW and the NRL stepped back and let the club take care of the hassles and consequently a player from Nrth Queenlsand Cowboys & also Cronulla both tore up the players contracts and sent them on their way...the AFL should do the same thing.
We dont get much infor up here except for what we get on Fox Footy and guess what at the end of next month well we wont get it any more.....

That is how it should be, a coach here would be the last to know.

[PeterWH]

This caper of three strikes and your gone is CRAP........these people are supposed to be 'role models' to the younger generation and if these kids see their 'STARS' doing this then they think that its OK.
Sorry the three strikes your out is OUT....you do the wrong thing,the club deals with it,then the club advises the rest of the players & 'COACH' and then get on with life.......
Isnt that why there is a 'FOOTBALL MANAGER' at each club,and dont ehy handle this sort of thing.If not then there should be an independant body/commitee at each club that handles this sort of thing,tell the Governing body ONLY when Police,the players involved and the club have been advised and then get on with life...too much money and time is wasted when the Governing body and the media get involved and 9 timers out of 10 when the media get invvolved 'all hell breakes loose'
as per the Chris Tarrant saga........
NO strike,you get caught with either ellicit drugs,or something that is illegal and OUT YOU GO

[3rd degree]

If you or I got caught using illicit drugs, we would not get three warnings.

you'd be suprised Culprit.

[Culprit]

Did anyone notice on a channel nine news break, when they mentioned about the three players using drugs they had a Collingwood players legs running past the film. The shorts stood out that it was Collingwood.

[PeterWH]

You guys seem to know who these players are,BUT noone else does....which club are they from?

[Culprit]

If you or I got caught using illicit drugs, we would not get three warnings.

you'd be suprised Culprit.

Hmmmm past history tells me diferent

[Zakal]

[Well technically its not an AFL initiative either, it was forced upon them by WADA. The players had no choice but to submit, just as the AFL really had no choice. ]

Not correct Zakal. The out of competition testing component of the AFL's drug code, which is the part the three were nabbed under, is over and above WADA requirements and is purely an AFL initiative. WADA only requires that 'in-competition' drug testing took place. This is why the privacy issue is so important because effectively, the out of competition testing regime relies on the goodwill of the players association and the players.

If anonymity in the case of the first two positives cannot be guaranteed by the AFL, there is no way the players will sign up for it again, and under the WADA code and the federal governments funding arrangements (this was the big stick the AFL were beaten into complying with WADA with), they won't be compelled to.

The WADA guidelines are a load of bullshit and in many respects are actually a lot weaker than the AFL's initial drug-testing guidelines. Unfortunately the AFL capitulated in the face of a scare-campaign run by WADA through ill-informed journalists and a federal minister who either didn't understand the policy-issues, or more likely saw an opportunity to make a few cheap political points by playing the 'tough on drugs' card.

Oh yeah, thats right. Sorry, i remember that now.

Well i guess they have made an arrangement with the players, theyve gotta stick to it.

That doesn't make it right though, and next time it comes up for review, they have to take another look at it.

Personally i dont agree with testing for drugs that have nothing to do with sport (recreational) during the off-season.

But if they are going to do it, and leaks occur as specific as they did this time, it casts a slur over EVERY interstate player, and specifically those from WA and SA.

Its not fair to those players who signed up to the agreement in confidence, AND did nothing wrong, to have their innocence besmirched by those who signed up, then broke teh law anyway.