The Hydra ~ Caro rears her head again

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CarringbushCigar wrote:
Member 7167 wrote:
The Prototype wrote:Most people seemed to have more issues with the holding her head under and drowning her, while only a very few made any reference to the black widow. But even so, I think Tony Shaw suggesting her head be held under should have sparked the same reaction.

Though I do believe the black widow remark was wrong, in any context even if it was a joke. There was no real need for it.
Yes, they should have received the same reaction. Caro should have laughed off all of the comments. She can certainly hand it out but is more than happy to twist any potentially adverse comment to her political advantage. Hypocritical and opportunistic at best.
Unbelievable some of you are still not accepting that what Maguire said was totally wrong, as Eddie, the Club and the Prime Minister has told you.
Doubly unbelievable is that you are blaming Caroline, the victim, for 'not laughing it off'.

Maguire vs Shaw comments argument is totally flawed, Shaw was (accurately) referring what others might like to do whilst Ed was putting up $50k and whipping up his mates for someone to hold her under. Jesus to put them in the same ball park is utterly idiotic.

Caroline did nothing about the comments, though she had heard them, UNTIL it was becoming a national issue.
What is she supposed to do when asked about it?
Not be honest about how it made her feel. Gimme a spell.

If Maguire did this to any of your family loved-ones, how would you feel?

It's not a hanging offence but to equate Shaw or blame Caroline is pathetic.
The Prime Minister, Holden and Triple M etc all have skin in the game. Unless they say something they will be condemned by the PC brigade and the mindless sheep who are all offended because someone told them they should be. You certainly do not want to give these spineless individuals more reason to be offended and give them an excuse to disparage someone else. None of these people / companies want to lose sales, listeners or voters so that do and say things so that they do not alienate anybody.

Do you really think this is the personal viewpoint of Malcolm Turner or the Holden executive who decided to do some damage control. Are you really that naive or are you simply using this situation to further taint Eddie and reinforce your negative views on Eddie and just about everything else associated with the club. That is certainly what Caro has done. All she needed to say is that it was meant in a light-hearted manner and was interpreted as such. She may have used the situation to promote more donations for a deserving charity.

If this was said about one of my family members in the manner it was said and meant by Eddie and you suggested to their face that they should be offended they would simply laugh at you and your precious and over sensitive attitude.

The character of Australians, the innate things that made this country unique, strong and independent are very much at odds to the vanilla / metro-sexual and PC world that a minority of Australians would like to create and shame us into being.

For me, not now, not ever.
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schuey07 wrote:
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Member 7167 wrote: Yes, they should have received the same reaction. Caro should have laughed off all of the comments. She can certainly hand it out but is more than happy to twist any potentially adverse comment to her political advantage. Hypocritical and opportunistic at best.
Unbelievable some of you are still not accepting that what Maguire said was totally wrong, as Eddie, the Club and the Prime Minister has told you.
Doubly unbelievable is that you are blaming Caroline, the victim, for 'not laughing it off'.

Maguire vs Shaw comments argument is totally flawed, Shaw was (accurately) referring what others might like to do whilst Ed was putting up $50k and whipping up his mates for someone to hold her under. Jesus to put them in the same ball park is utterly idiotic.

Caroline did nothing about the comments, though she had heard them, UNTIL it was becoming a national issue.
What is she supposed to do when asked about it?
Not be honest about how it made her feel. Gimme a spell.

If Maguire did this to any of your family loved-ones, how would you feel?

It's not a hanging offence but to equate Shaw or blame Caroline is pathetic.
Oh no the Prime Minister has told us, we should all be good little school children and listen then. Just another opportunistic flog looking for votes.
The Collingwood FC board via the CEO virtually begged you to stop defending Maguire and to accept the club and Eddies view that what he said was unacceptable.

But go on keep defending bully-boy (at best), hit-man language.
50k to hold her under from one of our national leaders. It's disgusting.
How would you feel if someone said that about your mother, son .. someone you cared about ??

As for Cam .. you've been really shining a light on here lately and we all know your empathy levels to others.

How's ya good mate Roughy ?
At least Maguire eventually apologised and had a time-out period.
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Member 7167 wrote:
Do you really think this is the personal viewpoint of Malcolm Turner or the Holden executive who decided to do some damage control. Are you really that naive or are you simply using this situation to further taint Eddie and reinforce your negative views on Eddie and just about everything else associated with the club. That is certainly what Caro has done. All she needed to say is that it was meant in a light-hearted manner and was interpreted as such. She may have used the situation to promote more donations for a deserving charity.

If this was said about one of my family members in the manner it was said and meant by Eddie and you suggested to their face that they should be offended they would simply laugh at you and your precious and over sensitive attitude.

The character of Australians, the innate things that made this country unique, strong and independent are very much at odds to the vanilla / metro-sexual and PC world that a minority of Australians would like to create and shame us into being.

For me, not now, not ever.
Hey Nicksters I got 10K to take out Nicksterxxxx.
Make it 20k if he really suffers.
How unique, strong and un-vanilla is that ?
It's not Australian - it's beyond 3rd world or Mafia talk.

I don't have a negative view on Eddie - i was on prime time defending him last week.
I think he is genuinely sorry and will learn.
I don't have much hope for many of u lot though.
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CarringbushCigar wrote:
schuey07 wrote:
CarringbushCigar wrote: Unbelievable some of you are still not accepting that what Maguire said was totally wrong, as Eddie, the Club and the Prime Minister has told you.
Doubly unbelievable is that you are blaming Caroline, the victim, for 'not laughing it off'.

Maguire vs Shaw comments argument is totally flawed, Shaw was (accurately) referring what others might like to do whilst Ed was putting up $50k and whipping up his mates for someone to hold her under. Jesus to put them in the same ball park is utterly idiotic.

Caroline did nothing about the comments, though she had heard them, UNTIL it was becoming a national issue.
What is she supposed to do when asked about it?
Not be honest about how it made her feel. Gimme a spell.

If Maguire did this to any of your family loved-ones, how would you feel?

It's not a hanging offence but to equate Shaw or blame Caroline is pathetic.
Oh no the Prime Minister has told us, we should all be good little school children and listen then. Just another opportunistic flog looking for votes.
The Collingwood FC board via the CEO virtually begged you to stop defending Maguire and to accept the club and Eddies view that what he said was unacceptable.

But go on keep defending bully-boy (at best), hit-man language.
50k to hold her under from one of our national leaders. It's disgusting.
How would you feel if someone said that about your mother, son .. someone you cared about ??

As for Cam .. you've been really shining a light on here lately and we all know your empathy levels to others.

How's ya good mate Roughy ?
At least Maguire eventually apologised and had a time-out period.
I am sure Pert would rather see us supporting them as opposed to condemning them. What they want is for everyone to shut up and kill off the controversy.
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People and their high-horses... 33 pages, really... 1st world problems...
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Member 7167 wrote:
I am sure Pert would rather see us supporting them as opposed to condemning them. What they want is for everyone to shut up and kill off the controversy.
Supporting who?
No one here is condemning Maguire - get over it.
What we are doing is pointing out how blatantly wrong this language is.
How jokes like this do contribute to acceptance of violence and that challenging this language will result in less victims of violence.
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jackcass wrote:People and their high-horses... 33 pages, really... 1st world problems...
Maintaining freedom of speech is a first world issue and for good reason.
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Piesnchess wrote:I could not make head nor tail what the hell Caro was on about on footy classifieds last night, kept whingeing about something to do with what Leigh Matthews said about it all. She just a pain in the arse now, she just cannot more on.
I'll break it down for you:

Eddie Maguire (who she doesn't like) can't say that.
Tony Shaw (who she does like) can say that.

Sam Newman (who she doesn't like) can say whatever he likes because she has no respect for him.
Leigh Matthews (who she does like) can't say whatever he likes because she does respect him.

She really doesn't make it easy on herself.
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CarringbushCigar wrote:Unbelievable some of you are still not accepting that what Maguire said was totally wrong, as Eddie, the Club and the Prime Minister has told you.
Doubly unbelievable is that you are blaming Caroline, the victim, for 'not laughing it off'.

Maguire vs Shaw comments argument is totally flawed, Shaw was (accurately) referring what others might like to do whilst Ed was putting up $50k and whipping up his mates for someone to hold her under. Jesus to put them in the same ball park is utterly idiotic.

Caroline did nothing about the comments, though she had heard them, UNTIL it was becoming a national issue.
What is she supposed to do when asked about it?
Not be honest about how it made her feel. Gimme a spell.

If Maguire did this to any of your family loved-ones, how would you feel?

It's not a hanging offence but to equate Shaw or blame Caroline is pathetic.
I am by far nor a Caro fan, but I do believe Eddie was wrong in how he went about the comments if he wanted to get Caro to do the big freeze slide he should have just challenged her by saying "I challenge you to do, if you did it, and could sit the very cold water for a bit longer while they dumped in more ice we'd aim to raise 50k more." which was the idea, but the context he used was way off base in this day and age.

I believe there was half an insult and half a joke there, but once you tossed in the black widow stuff there was more offense to be taken. But what I was saying regarding Shaw was, people have taken offense about the holding her head under bit, that bit has been done to death no mention of the black widow thing, just the "drowning"

Tony Shaw and 3AW mentioned that same bit, but no one jumped up and down about it. That was all I was pointing out, not blaming Caro, not defending Eddie, not even in the slightest I believe his words were wrong if he wanted to throw out a challenge he could have done it with what I said above.

If others wanted to chip in more money to dump water on her head, say that, don't use terms like "drown" or "hold her head under" people are going to take it the wrong way, and you are going to get into trouble.

Caro is allowed to be offended and saddened that someone that's meant to be close and all makes such a remark, it comes as a shock and personal. Hopefully both will do the Big Freeze together and raise a lot of money, and maybe work together on a better way to speak in the public domain.
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5 from the wing on debut wrote:
jackcass wrote:People and their high-horses... 33 pages, really... 1st world problems...
Maintaining freedom of speech is a first world issue and for good reason.
1st world turns off pretty quick, doubt 33 pages is what's needed. Where's the Abbottesque sloganisms?
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watt price tully wrote:^ You can say that again :P :wink:

Mind you, a pollie being opportunistic before an election? :shock: Shocked, I'm speechless.

Next, they'll start kissing babies :wink:
Exactly.

Shorten declining to go on Eddies radio show is a case in point. 8)
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mandy wrote:
Piesnchess wrote:I could not make head nor tail what the hell Caro was on about on footy classifieds last night, kept whingeing about something to do with what Leigh Matthews said about it all. She just a pain in the arse now, she just cannot more on.
I'll break it down for you:

Eddie Maguire (who she doesn't like) can't say that.
Tony Shaw (who she does like) can say that.

Sam Newman (who she doesn't like) can say whatever he likes because she has no respect for him.
Leigh Matthews (who she does like) can't say whatever he likes because she does respect him.

She really doesn't make it easy on herself.
If you can slam dunk a 3 pointer, that was this post.
Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down.
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CarringbushCigar wrote:
schuey07 wrote:
CarringbushCigar wrote: Unbelievable some of you are still not accepting that what Maguire said was totally wrong, as Eddie, the Club and the Prime Minister has told you.
Doubly unbelievable is that you are blaming Caroline, the victim, for 'not laughing it off'.

Maguire vs Shaw comments argument is totally flawed, Shaw was (accurately) referring what others might like to do whilst Ed was putting up $50k and whipping up his mates for someone to hold her under. Jesus to put them in the same ball park is utterly idiotic.

Caroline did nothing about the comments, though she had heard them, UNTIL it was becoming a national issue.
What is she supposed to do when asked about it?
Not be honest about how it made her feel. Gimme a spell.

If Maguire did this to any of your family loved-ones, how would you feel?

It's not a hanging offence but to equate Shaw or blame Caroline is pathetic.
Oh no the Prime Minister has told us, we should all be good little school children and listen then. Just another opportunistic flog looking for votes.
The Collingwood FC board via the CEO virtually begged you to stop defending Maguire and to accept the club and Eddies view that what he said was unacceptable.

But go on keep defending bully-boy (at best), hit-man language.
50k to hold her under from one of our national leaders. It's disgusting.
How would you feel if someone said that about your mother, son .. someone you cared about ??

As for Cam .. you've been really shining a light on here lately and we all know your empathy levels to others.

How's ya good mate Roughy ?
At least Maguire eventually apologised and had a time-out period.
Can you farkin learn to spell his surname correctly.

It's McGuire <snip>
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