Post Match. Pies pipped by Port. All comments, please.

[Peponi]

All teams know that they’ll claw back 4 goal leads that the Pies may have earlier in the game. Embarrassing how predictable this is because Buckley goes straight into defensive mode. Buckley must hold the record for number of losses for a coach after achieving a 4 goal lead in a game. You just have to laugh...

[Ronnie McKeowns boots]

Bears? Pies and bears. Ok then!

Sorry beers, it was a typo.

Heheh,

Although we could try the bears as well, no stone left unturned and wotnot

[PyreneesPie]

Yes great effort by the team

My question today is and from 2019 is why do we continue to play this slow ultra defensive gamestyle.

And then
Why the coach is allowed to continue with a style that is clearly not good enough at all to compete and win games

i just can't beleive it.

Honestly. How much more evidence do you need this gamestyle is

outated
cumbesome
Easly beaten
taxing on the players
allows for no natural ability to come through

It just creates confusion

Stop it now. Time for change

As I said, we don't have enough players with natural ability at the moment.... but we will eventually one hopes!

I can’t believe you can’t see it. Even with the players, this game style is outdated and no longer fit for today’s football.

What I am saying is that given the current talent in our team list, that we don't have the ability to play fast footy ala Doggies etc. It may be outdated, boring etc, but how else are we to stay close in games? We just don't have mid-field superstars like Petracca and we don't have goal kicking key forwards like Naughton, Lynch etc.
Okay, go with the attacking, risky, fast footy style, watch us get beaten by 100 plus points on a regular basis and watch the confidence of any upcoming players plummet completely, regardless of who is coaching the team.

[The Boy Who Cried Wolf]

I think it's clear that even though we do have some working parts etc - we must go to the draft... even if it takes 2-3 years to do it right.

[schuey07]

As I said, we don't have enough players with natural ability at the moment.... but we will eventually one hopes!

I can’t believe you can’t see it. Even with the players, this game style is outdated and no longer fit for today’s football.

What I am saying is that given the current talent in our team list, that we don't have the ability to play fast footy ala Doggies etc. It may be outdated, boring etc, but how else are we to stay close in games? We just don't have mid-field superstars like Petracca and we don't have goal kicking key forwards like Naughton, Lynch etc.
Okay, go with the attacking, risky, fast footy style, watch us get beaten by 100 plus points on a regular basis and watch the confidence of any upcoming players plummet completely, regardless of who is coaching the team.

Yea, that’s not how it works. You build a modern game plan. Your going to have wins and losses, at the start more losses. You then trade in and draft players that suit that game style. You get a core group of players with 100 games+ with a sprinkling of more experienced players and then the game plan clicks and you start becoming dominant and push for a flag.

[orie]

Okay so I am reading all the posts and I agree on
Callum Brown should not be in the team. Hate to say that but his kicking for goal is terrible.
Was at the game and the crowd was SCREAMING to move the ball quickly as we were going into attack. But NOOOO!!!

Is that how they played in the first half? [ I missed that]

If I could ask Bucks one question, it would be.

Is that slow play sideways and backwards, is that under YOUR instruction???
Or do the players panic and not have the confidence to take it on and risk making errors?

[PyreneesPie]

I can’t believe you can’t see it. Even with the players, this game style is outdated and no longer fit for today’s football.

What I am saying is that given the current talent in our team list, that we don't have the ability to play fast footy ala Doggies etc. It may be outdated, boring etc, but how else are we to stay close in games? We just don't have mid-field superstars like Petracca and we don't have goal kicking key forwards like Naughton, Lynch etc.
Okay, go with the attacking, risky, fast footy style, watch us get beaten by 100 plus points on a regular basis and watch the confidence of any upcoming players plummet completely, regardless of who is coaching the team.

Yea, that’s not how it works.

Okay...you're the expert. How would today have panned out with your suggested game plan? Please provide full details.

[Peponi]

Mind boggling how Bucks, who was the best kick of his generation, persists with players who can’t kick accurately and more than 20 metres.

Callum Brown is the worst kick I’ve ever seen at Collingwood. A few years ago Taylor Adams had one of the worst kicks but he’s improved a lot. He’s OK between 0-30 metres and struggles to get to 40 metres. His accuracy has improved not withstanding his pathetic kick for goal in the 3rd term.

I think Adams should be captain next year. Has plenty of bastard in him and takes it to the opposition. Pendles is too nice. Nice doesn’t win you games or Premierships. Allow Pendles to move to the forward line. Play another season or at most two before he retires.

[Raw Hammer]

After 10 games we have the:

4th worst points-for
8th best points-against

Recipe for sustained mediocrity, and sleep-inducing football for the fans.

[MatthewBoydFanClub]

I feel really guttered for the team. They played their guts out and would have won but for a couple of bad defensive errors in the last quarter. I said pre-game though that we don’t have the tall forwards needed to convert the opportunities to kick a winning score. The ball was coming down there enough. You can’t blame De Goey and Mihocek for that. They don’t get the support they need. If you put Jeremy Cameron, Lynch, Ben Brown or Hogan down there today it would have been a different result. Why didn’t we foresee this last year? Anybody could see last season it wasn’t working out with Cox. It’s interesting post match here people are calling for the reinstatement of Cox back into the team. Cox isn’t the answer. Trading Stephenson out of the team last year was just plain stupid. Stephenson offered a mix in the forward line that you’re not going to get with Callum Brown or Josh Thomas. My great hope is McMahon. He’s developing nicely as a key forward. We should focus our attention at the end of this season on getting a ready made key forward under free agency. Who’s exactly out there I have no idea. I guess we’ll do what we normally do and recruit another mid like Merrett. What does Buckley have against key forwards? I’d love to know. His 10 year coaching career has been about ruckmen who can kick goals in the forward line. He even tried to convert Dawes into a ruckman. If Buckley had coached the Swans 20 years ago he would have converted Lockett into a ruckman.

[PeterD35]

Okay so I am reading all the posts and I agree on
Callum Brown should not be in the team. Hate to say that but his kicking for goal is terrible.
Was at the game and the crowd was SCREAMING to move the ball quickly as we were going into attack. But NOOOO!!!

Is that how they played in the first half? [ I missed that]

If I could ask Bucks one question, it would be.

Is that slow play sideways and backwards, is that under YOUR instruction???
Or do the players panic and not have the confidence to take it on and risk making errors?

That is an easy one he would throw the players under the bus.

[PyreneesPie]

Okay so I am reading all the posts and I agree on
Callum Brown should not be in the team. Hate to say that but his kicking for goal is terrible.
Was at the game and the crowd was SCREAMING to move the ball quickly as we were going into attack. But NOOOO!!!

Is that how they played in the first half? [ I missed that]

If I could ask Bucks one question, it would be.

Is that slow play sideways and backwards, is that under YOUR instruction???
Or do the players panic and not have the confidence to take it on and risk making errors?

It's not just about playing fast, direct footy. If only it was so simple. There are also other elements like identifying viable targets (if there are any) and having the skill to deliver to those targets. In one passage of play today, even the experienced Sidey missed McCreery on a clear lead and bombed it into the Alir vicinity. Port rebounded out.

[Haff]

Actually, I don't think there was heaps wrong with how we played the game today......we actually could've lost by heaps more had we abandoned all caution and played riskier football. Why? Because we are presently lacking enough top talented players to benefit from fast ball movement when the opposition ups their pressure (as the top teams will always do).

In retrospect (always the more clear view ), the worst errors were those made at the selection table on Thursday ie selecting both Brown brothers and JT in the same team and not including another tall forward to keep Alir occupied.

Agree re Brown etc. Don’t agree at the sentiment. The negative game plan means we don’t get smashed but we stifle our scoring. You can’t have both. We are too focused on defence, no focus on offence at all. You can’t win if you don’t score.

[schuey07]

What I am saying is that given the current talent in our team list, that we don't have the ability to play fast footy ala Doggies etc. It may be outdated, boring etc, but how else are we to stay close in games? We just don't have mid-field superstars like Petracca and we don't have goal kicking key forwards like Naughton, Lynch etc.
Okay, go with the attacking, risky, fast footy style, watch us get beaten by 100 plus points on a regular basis and watch the confidence of any upcoming players plummet completely, regardless of who is coaching the team.

Yea, that’s not how it works.

Okay...you're the expert. How would today have panned out with your suggested game plan? Please provide full details.

I don’t get paid a million a year to make these decisions, but I listed the general gist of it in my previous post. We probably would have lost, but you would see what the team is trying to do. At this point wins don’t matter team development and gameplay do and having a clear vision on the style and system is what is important, also having the players buy into that is important. At the moment the players have no flair, no confidence and seem to second guess themselves.

So the real question should be do you want to lose games, playing a boring outdated style of football that will ultimately never see you succeed. Or do you want to lose games playing an exciting brand of football that will see you achieve success in the future.

[PyreneesPie]

I feel really guttered for the team. They played their guts out and would have won but for a couple of bad defensive errors in the last quarter. I said pre-game though that we don’t have the tall forwards needed to convert the opportunities to kick a winning score. The ball was coming down there enough. You can’t blame De Goey and Mihocek for that. They don’t get the support they need. If you put Jeremy Cameron, Lynch, Ben Brown or Hogan down there today it would have been a different result. Why didn’t we foresee this last year? Anybody could see last season it wasn’t working out with Cox. It’s interesting post match here people are calling for the reinstatement of Cox back into the team. Cox isn’t the answer. Trading Stephenson out of the team last year was just plain stupid. Stephenson offered a mix in the forward line that you’re not going to get with Callum Brown or Josh Thomas. My great hope is McMahon. He’s developing nicely as a key forward. We should focus our attention at the end of this season on getting a ready made key forward under free agency. Who’s exactly out there I have no idea. I guess we’ll do what we normally do and recruit another mid like Merrett. What does Buckley have against key forwards? I’d love to know. His 10 year coaching career has been about ruckmen who can kick goals in the forward line. He even tried to convert Dawes into a ruckman. If Buckley had coached the Swans 20 years ago he would have converted Lockett into a ruckman.

But MBFC, do you really think Bucks would be saying "Don't get me a key forward, I'd rather turn a ruckman into one"????? The only one we've actually sought in earnest was Lynch and that didn't come off for some unknown reason. As for drafting one, when were we last in the position to select a young prospect? They get snapped up by teams who have higher draft choices.

I agree, Coxy is not the permanent answer, but what the hell else do we do in the present moment?