Don’t think any of them looked like elderly people with major health issues so they’ll be fineroar wrote:On the bright side, the protestors that caught the virus are probably not vaccinated so we may not have to worry about at least a few of them, anymore.
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No - the mistake was allowing the Grand Final to proceed. It should have been cancelled. Apart from the positive impact it would have had on case numbers, it would have been funny to watch the reactions of the Melbourne and Footscray supporters. They could also retrospectively abandon the 2020 GF, too, by the way.
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I've accepted the harsh reality that we have to live with this virus. Vaccination is obviously the biggest tool we have against the virus at this stage, so by all means keep ramping it up and encouraging it as widely as possible.Pies4shaw wrote:Have you just given up? What's the alternative, pending achieving some acceptable levels of vaccination?Jezza wrote:General life should be cancelled, and we can just under hide under our doonas indefinitely.
On the restrictions, some of them have to be removed now:
[*] The curfew needs to go. No scientific basis for it.
[*] Travel radius isn't beneficial, especially when the virus is everywhere now.
[*] Fully vaccinated people should be largely exempt from most restrictions.
The two most effective measures are social distancing, and mask wearing in indoor settings.
I'm against vaccine passports, and worry about the risk of creating a two-tier society. Everyone should be allowed to participate in wider society whether they're vaccinated or not. Many European countries are abandoning vaccine passports, but for some reason Australia thinks they're the gateway to freedom.
The right to protest shouldn't be abrogated because of a pandemic. If one wants to voice dissatisfaction over government policy or any issue that they're passionate about, then it's their right to do so. Police should only be involved if peaceful assembly escalates into violence.
In a perfect world, I'd rather let individuals make their own choices and judge the risk for themselves, rather than having the government impede us constantly to "keep us safe". However, I know that won't happen in reality.
More should have been done to prepare the hospital system for the last 18 months. The fact that it's close to being "overwhelmed" is an indictment on the incompetence of this state. Where are the 4,000 ICU beds that were promised on April 1 last year?
Overall, I'm just very frustrated mate. Nick's is one of the few places I can vent openly about this.
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That weekend gatherings were the cause of the spike in case numbers is both unsurprising and problematic.
Unsurprising because compliance with the restrictions are at their lowest point at the same time as the case numbers reach their highest. People are over it. Melbournians have spent over 240 days in lockdown. That's 8 months out of the past 18. You see the apathy in the supermarkets, in people standing around outside coffee shops. They're just going through the motions.
Also unsurprising because you need to consider the demographics of the protesters. The first couple of days was a hard core of legitimate construction workers, firstly from Union sites who were pissed off with the CFMEU and then swelled by all the suburban construction workers who weren't union but suddenly were shut down. The construction workers will hold views across the spectrum, from being vaccine believers to mad anti vaxxers, conspiracy theorists, right wing nuts, etc. Then their numbers were swelled by the non-construction workers who were just mad anti vaxxers, conspiracy theorists, right wing nuts, etc. As the real construction worker numbers dropped off, this is the chort that clung on. This is the cohort which won't get tested. They don't believe in it, the virus is fake, we won't know about them unless they end up in hospital
We know there was Covid in the protests. 1 bloke in hospital, 1 tested and the President of the CFMEU positive and their office shut down as a Tier 1 exposure site.
That's what leads to the problematic part. You potentially have a core of Covid infecting people who won't get tested but instead who will infect family and friends and the first we'll know is when the numbers really explode to 2-3,000 daily cases.
I wouldn't be the slightest surprised if there is an element of that in these cases, people going to gatherings and being infected by someone who was infected by someone who went to the protest.
My personal view of where to from here is that the horse has bolted to a degree, they way out is vaccination so focus on that, but in the mean time throw people some hope and get rid of stupid, petty restrictions that people aren't following anyway. Just stick with the actual important ones that we need people to follow and dump the rest.
Having to wear a mask outdoors when you're no where near other people is stupid and unscientific
Ditto curfew.
They open golf courses the other day, but ban people using the toilets there. That kind of thing shows total lack of common sense and only serves to piss people off more.
I saw Swanny tweeted yesterday that he'd got in his car and drove 14.8km away, then turned around and came home.
Unsurprising because compliance with the restrictions are at their lowest point at the same time as the case numbers reach their highest. People are over it. Melbournians have spent over 240 days in lockdown. That's 8 months out of the past 18. You see the apathy in the supermarkets, in people standing around outside coffee shops. They're just going through the motions.
Also unsurprising because you need to consider the demographics of the protesters. The first couple of days was a hard core of legitimate construction workers, firstly from Union sites who were pissed off with the CFMEU and then swelled by all the suburban construction workers who weren't union but suddenly were shut down. The construction workers will hold views across the spectrum, from being vaccine believers to mad anti vaxxers, conspiracy theorists, right wing nuts, etc. Then their numbers were swelled by the non-construction workers who were just mad anti vaxxers, conspiracy theorists, right wing nuts, etc. As the real construction worker numbers dropped off, this is the chort that clung on. This is the cohort which won't get tested. They don't believe in it, the virus is fake, we won't know about them unless they end up in hospital
We know there was Covid in the protests. 1 bloke in hospital, 1 tested and the President of the CFMEU positive and their office shut down as a Tier 1 exposure site.
That's what leads to the problematic part. You potentially have a core of Covid infecting people who won't get tested but instead who will infect family and friends and the first we'll know is when the numbers really explode to 2-3,000 daily cases.
I wouldn't be the slightest surprised if there is an element of that in these cases, people going to gatherings and being infected by someone who was infected by someone who went to the protest.
My personal view of where to from here is that the horse has bolted to a degree, they way out is vaccination so focus on that, but in the mean time throw people some hope and get rid of stupid, petty restrictions that people aren't following anyway. Just stick with the actual important ones that we need people to follow and dump the rest.
Having to wear a mask outdoors when you're no where near other people is stupid and unscientific
Ditto curfew.
They open golf courses the other day, but ban people using the toilets there. That kind of thing shows total lack of common sense and only serves to piss people off more.
I saw Swanny tweeted yesterday that he'd got in his car and drove 14.8km away, then turned around and came home.
Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down.
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pass the popcorn!!Dark Beanie wrote:Meanwhile in Queensland:
NRL grand final crowd cut after Covid outbreak forces new restrictions
"Over 10,000 ticketholders will be blocked from attending Sunday’s NRL grand final after the Queensland government confirmed new Covid-19 restrictions on Thursday.
Six new cases were recorded in the state on Thursday, including one in Townsville.
The decider between the Panthers and Rabbitohs is scheduled to take place at Suncorp Stadium, with the event already sold out after 52,000 tickets were purchased.
However, new restrictions mean 13,000 people will now be barred from attending and have their tickets refunded."
https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-pr ... 37944c1db6
that stinks, how peed off would you be!
You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either!
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