Pre-Match: The Mighty Pies V Dogs - All comments here thanks

Johnson#26 · Post by **Johnson#26** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 5:32 pm

Match Preview:

My Team for Round 2 Vs the Bulldogs:

B: Clement, Prestigiacomo, Wakelin.
HB: Johnson, J.Cloke, Cole.
C: Woewodin, Buckley, Lonie.
HF: Didak, Rocca, Swan.
F: Holland, Fraser, Tarrant.
R: Richards, Licuria, Burns.
INTER: McGough, Davidson, C.Cloke, Williams.
EMERG: Leonard, R.Shaw, Mullins.

IN: Rocca, McGough, C.Cloke, Richards, Davidson, Swan.
OUT: Shaw, Walker, Lokan, McKee, Davis, O'Bree.

In a very important match for both clubs, Collingwood should be too strong and potent up forward for the Bulldogs defenders. Both sides are at opposite ends on the form scale, with the Bulldogs coming off a couragous performance against the West Coast at Telstra Dome where the Dogs were piped at the post by a long goal from West Coast goal sneak Ashley Sampi, whilst the Magpies came off a sluggish first up match which saw them slaughtered at the hands of Richmond forwards Matthew Richardson and Nathan Brown by 40 points. Bulldog fans came away from round 1 optomistic whilst the Pies supporters walked away from the 'G quite dissapointed at losing to an ememy first up. Even so, the Pies should be too strong up forward with players such as Tarrant, Fraser, new boy Davidson and the man back from a two week (or an eight month) exile from AFL football. Here's how and why we'll win:

Key Match ups: Defence:
Prestigiacomo vs Rawlings
Wakelin vs Bandy
Clement vs Bowden
Ben Johnson vs Brad Johnson
Cole vs Garlick

Although there is no Brown to worry about, the Magpies coaching staff will have their work cut out on how to match up on powerhouse recruit Jade Rawlings. After a bag of seven goals against the Eagles, Rawlings will be high on confidence and will be looking to acheive his first win in the Bulldogs colours. Prestigiacomo will be the first man to match up on Rawlings as Rawlings is not overly quick and Presti is never one to sherk a challenge. Bandy is a potencial danger man as he is a strong mark and is a confidence player. Wakelin, like Presti, never sherks a challenge and often plays taller then his height suggests. Doggies dynamo Brad Johnson is the sort of player who lifts during big occasions and this certainly is one. However, our own Johnson, Ben, is a player who is the perfect match up for Brad. He has pace, is a great tackle and can work both ways - attacking or defencive. This will be an exciting battle, with the victor posstibly deciding the outcome of the game. The other match ups speak for themselves with Cole on Garlick and Clement on Bowden. Jason Cloke will look to play as a loose man across half back.

Midfield Match ups:
Buckley vs West
Burns vs Hahn
Licuria vs Smith
Woewodin vs Giansiracusa
Lonie vs Cooney
Richards vs Darcy

The Dogs midfield, once their greatest strength, has now come back to the field slightly with age and injury catching up with them. The biggest match up will be Buckley vs West. The player with the most number of effective possestions could well decide the out come of the match. Scotty Burns will be tagged by Mitch Hahn, who has improved over the last 18 months and Licuria will go head to head with Smith. Woewodin and Giansiracusa are both very attacking players and will look to play wide of each other whilst on the wings, the battle between the number one draft pick Adam Cooney and 4th year wingman Lonie will provide all fans with a number of highlights. In the ruck, the misson for Richards of playing on Luke Darcy could provide a steep learning curve for young Guy Richards, who is set to debut for his 1st match since he was drafted 4 years ago.

Forward line Key Match ups:
Tarrant vs Hargrave
Rocca vs Grant
Fraser vs Harris
Didak vs Harrison
Davidson vs Koops

With the return of gun forward Anthony Rocca and the debut of Tom Davidson along with the talent of Josh Fraser and Chris Tarrant, Collingwoods forward line should prove to tall and strong for the reletivly small Bulldog defence. Tarrant will be too quick for Hargrave and Rocca too strong for Grant. The rest take care of themselves as the Dogs defence does not provide any fears for Fraser, Didak and Davidson. The Magpies forward line will in the end be too strong and fast for the undermanned Bulldog defence and with Fraser and Tarrant firing, we should run out easy winners. Pies by 38 points.

Post by **Cam** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 5:36 pm

What's the point giving some of the young kids a go because if they don't go well the fans rip the hell out of them for being soft, stupid and hopeless. Many of the Hawk dynasty played 50 games in the reserves. I would think Cam Cloke should be better off playing another year at Willi because if he gets played to early and fails then people will eat him ala Tex. Agree about Williams getting all last year but can see his upside if only we can get him more of the rock. Leon will be good too if he can figure a few more things out and get involved ala Farmer, McCrae or even the sex muppet.

Leon - Game One
Playing for free.... tick
Remembering he's not 6'3"... cross

natkingcole · Post by **natkingcole** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 8:37 pm

I think Balme and MM are living in fairy land if they think the only change we need to make is Rocca for Walker. Nixon and Richards must come in now and Williams should see his contract out playing at Williamstown for the remainder of the year. If Rupert, Freeborn and Richo were considered over the hill last year then what about McKee, Kinnear, Williams and Walker this year. I think they got the wrong guys. O'Bree is also on very shakey ground. It's about time MM started to play guys who are the future of our club and not play players who might pull one game out of the hat against the dogs on Saturday and then go back to their usual standard the following week. MM's worse quality is his over devotion/ loyality to certain players, so it's about time the match committee started talking reason to the coach. The fact is that the side we put onto the field last week would not have beaten any AFL team. Richmond is not that good a side. Rocca making all the difference to our team is more fairy land talk. Criticism of Josh's game last Friday night was sidetracking the issue. Josh is not one of our problems. Certain other players we are carrying in the team ARE the problem.

molloymagic · Post by **molloymagic** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:17 pm

How long has williams been in our side?a year!!!!. Plus he's from west coast eagles so of course Malthouse isn;t going to want to drop him. I'll be interested in seeing who we bring in.

magpies are 2 good · Post by **magpies are 2 good** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:31 pm

johnson#26 you said>>>> IN: rocca i lookedat ur team and noticed rocca is not there and nixon is there and he is not on the IN list. i dont think williams will be picked for this game

Lazza · Post by **Lazza** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 10:14 pm

Agree wholeheartedly Cam, I couldn't have said it better. People conveniently forget that Collingwood has the YOUNGEST list of all the AFL teams. I fear for a young player putting in an ordinary one because of all the crap he will get here and elsewhere on Magpie boards. If I was MM, I would play Walker for four weeks, give him some confidence because the kid can play well. But he was on the ground for only nine minutes on Fri night and got shit canned here for that! Gee Whiz we are as bad as the Bitchmond supporters who eat their own sometimes. My problem is NOT with the younger players but players like Burns, OB, McKee etc who were not leaders and played absolute shockers. I'm not blaming them entirely but the improvement must come from them too before we start blaming the young ones like Walker.

Johnson#26 · Post by **Johnson#26** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 6:33 am

magpies are 2 good wrote:johnson#26 you said>>>> IN: rocca i lookedat ur team and noticed rocca is not there and nixon is there and he is not on the IN list. i dont think williams will be picked for this game

Thanks for that. Fixed now.

I still think Williams should get 1 more oppotunity.

sq3 · Post by **sq3** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 7:58 am

We all know that Mick does not like or make wholesale changes - so I only expect 2.
Pebbles and Richards to come in to leave Josh at CHF and doggies with no Bandy will have to play Rawlings on the back line.
Davis and Williams will be the droppings and Shaw should be dropped to let Bo have his chance - but MM will not drop 3 in one week.
Shaw's disposal and thought processes have not changed or improved since the GF last year and he should be dropped- but won't be.
This will be a good grounding year for CCloke, Hall, Fanning and Billy at the Gulls and they should be ripe for the picking next year - but we still have to concentrate on this year.
Cole at HF would be great this week as his tackling on the Doggy defenders would certainly be a good wake up call for our forwards.
Dutchie on West and Woey in the centre with bucks drifting forward.
Obey needs to extract the digit this week.

JLC · Post by **JLC** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 8:19 am

I cannot see Richards and Rocca two tall forwards coming in and the selectors dropping two smaller players.

I think Walker and/or McKee should be dropped along with Williams. If we go in too tall the Bulldogs midfield will run us off our feet.

This is the ideal game for Leon to try and provide some spark to the team. Id rather have Leon in the team as at least he has the capability to kick goals and be lively around goals. The goal in the last quarter showed what he can do. The challenge for Leon is to play well for a whole game.

I still believe Leon will prove his doubters wrong.

jlc

Two_Pies · Post by **Two_Pies** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 9:15 am

Agree JLC Rocca in the side does have a flow on effect and the smalls in the midfield have played to a Rocca/Taz forward setup for quite a while now and that has been missing in the recent past. Add Dids and an on-song Leon to that and it is still a powerful setup. Rocca is one of the best contested marks around and will be the focus for the Dogs backline. This will leave gaps and holes we can exploit just as the Tiges did with Cloke as the double team player.

Big fan of Leon and he has great skills yet to be realised.

SS11 · Post by **SS11** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 10:11 am

Williams should be played on the wing- get him up with the ball carriers, and with his marking could be a handy linkman between defence and offence.

Leon needs to watch Aaron Davey from the demons last weekend to remind him of what he can and SHOULD be doing on the field.

for all that, Pies by 45, Bucks and Taz BOG.

Joel · Post by **Joel** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 10:38 am

Wasn't Williams played on the wing for a bit last week? I'm sure he was.

SS11 · Post by **SS11** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 10:40 am

not sure Joel, i could only watch the game on tv, so didn't notice? if he did, much like the rest of the team, he didn't do anything!

Joel · Post by **Joel** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 10:58 am

I kept on eye on Williams, and I'm sure he spent some time on the Wing, but the majority of it was down forward, if I remember correctly...his attack on the ball was just so soft, that is why I think he should be dropped.

pies417 · Post by **pies417** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 12:16 pm

Williams is a joke that fact that he was even kept on the list boggles the mind when Rup was given the Flick! Leon will come good he did a few good things last week and is looking stronger. Josh is a Very good player and will be an an absolute Champion. The Only reason i can understand why jason is still getting pushed foward is that David wants him there and we have to recruit Travis! With Rocca back we will be a different side it will just mean that dud williams hangs around longer.
WILLIAMS HAS GOT TO GO!!

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Pre-Match: The Mighty Pies V Dogs - All comments here thanks

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