when Sunderland first entered the FA, they stayed in the top flight for 68 years (1890-1958), a record that has only been bettered by Arsenal. During this time, they won 6 titles and 1 FA Cup. That's as many Div 1 titles as Tottenham (2), Leeds (3) and Chelsea (1) put together, and is 2 more titles than the Skunks. Granted, that is not as good as Collingwood's 13 flags in the same period, or Liverpool or Manure's "dynasties", but for a time there, Sunderland were a power in the league. Sunderland's record 13 consecutive wins has only ever been bettered by Manure (14).
Insignificant? yeah, I guess an average home attendance of 46,790, third in the Premiership behind Manure and the Skunks, is pretty insignificant. I guess the Stadium of Light, which last year was voted the best ground in Great Britain, is pretty insignificant.
Collingwood have more parallels with Sunderland than they do with Newcastle, guerseys not withstanding. Both clubs were very successful early on, less successful (in terms of titles) afterwards. Both have huge support even in times of adversity - which club in the UK would take over 15,000 supporters to an away game at Man City to watch their team GET RELEGATED??
Maybe they'll never ever win the title again. DO YOU THINK I CARE?? if I'm a glory hunting supporter, looking for those glory glory nights, I would follow Manure or Chelsea.
"everyone's a winner hot pies"
Why do Collingwood fans support Newcastle United?
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Hey mate, that's a pretty spirited defence of your club there-I have to repsect you for that even though I hate the club.
On the point of the 3rd biggest average attendance in the Premier League, that is mainly due to havinng the 3rd biggest stadium there's a few clubs that could better that if they were able to enlarge their stadiums (Leeds, Arsenal,Newcastle definitely & a few other possibles-most clubs here have sell outs for every league game) but unfortunately a lot of stadiums were built alongside houses & therefore it is impossible to enlarge them due to lack of planning permission from local government.
When I say that Sunderland are inconsequential I mean to say that they don't have it in them to be challengers for the big honours, the location is off putting to big name foreign players especially as well as English players & so they will never be a true force however much support they get.
Regarding the issue of large support there is a myth that both Newcastle & Sunderland supporters are the most passionate in England & that they turn up to watch there team regardless of how badly they're doing but this is BOLLOCKS check the attendances of both clubs during their bad days of the late 80's & early 90's & you'll see that they were nothing special.Granted taking 15,000 to Maine Road when you're relegated is pretty spectacular & ironically the only other club's supporters who would probably do the same thing are Man City's.
You have to accept though that 3 of your club's Championships were won in the 1890's when football wasn't well organised & many of today's clubs didn't exist in theor present form.Still it's pretty valid to point out that you have as many titles as Spurs, Chelsea & Leeds put together as for me these clubs are pretenders as well they've never had the achievements to back up their lofty view of themselves.
They've only ever been 3 clubs in England who have created anything like a dynasty & these are Arsenal (I have to confess here that I am a gooner), Liverpool & Man U.
Good on you for not being a glory hunter though, but when you say that you don't care if you never win the title again I don't believe you cos that's what it's all about dreaming of being the best.
Ps how come you support the Mackems
I do not & have never loved Liverpool FC
On the point of the 3rd biggest average attendance in the Premier League, that is mainly due to havinng the 3rd biggest stadium there's a few clubs that could better that if they were able to enlarge their stadiums (Leeds, Arsenal,Newcastle definitely & a few other possibles-most clubs here have sell outs for every league game) but unfortunately a lot of stadiums were built alongside houses & therefore it is impossible to enlarge them due to lack of planning permission from local government.
When I say that Sunderland are inconsequential I mean to say that they don't have it in them to be challengers for the big honours, the location is off putting to big name foreign players especially as well as English players & so they will never be a true force however much support they get.
Regarding the issue of large support there is a myth that both Newcastle & Sunderland supporters are the most passionate in England & that they turn up to watch there team regardless of how badly they're doing but this is BOLLOCKS check the attendances of both clubs during their bad days of the late 80's & early 90's & you'll see that they were nothing special.Granted taking 15,000 to Maine Road when you're relegated is pretty spectacular & ironically the only other club's supporters who would probably do the same thing are Man City's.
You have to accept though that 3 of your club's Championships were won in the 1890's when football wasn't well organised & many of today's clubs didn't exist in theor present form.Still it's pretty valid to point out that you have as many titles as Spurs, Chelsea & Leeds put together as for me these clubs are pretenders as well they've never had the achievements to back up their lofty view of themselves.
They've only ever been 3 clubs in England who have created anything like a dynasty & these are Arsenal (I have to confess here that I am a gooner), Liverpool & Man U.
Good on you for not being a glory hunter though, but when you say that you don't care if you never win the title again I don't believe you cos that's what it's all about dreaming of being the best.
Ps how come you support the Mackems
I do not & have never loved Liverpool FC
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yeah, sorry dipper, I get carried away sometimes. I keep forgetting that we are all Collingwood brethren. Your comments are fair. The SoL was a purpose built ground so the capacity can be increased easier than other suburban grounds, and Sunderland's discounting of season ticket prices also helps! yeah, 3 of Sunderland's titles were won in the 1890s, but that just highlights how mediocre they've been since 1958, where they've only won 1 trophy ('73 FA Cup) and were relegated 7 times, including the humiliation of Div 3 football. But they keep bouncing back and hopefully now, they will have shed the yo-yo team tag. What I meant when I said I don't care is that, of course I'll be rapt if they win the title, but that's not the main reason why I follow the team. I don't know why I follow the Mackems; I'm not from the NE, or from England for that matter. I guess it's the character of the club, the underdog mentality and the fact that, for a long time now, they've been perennial strugglers and battlers. yet, the supporters are still very passionate about the team.
As for honours, yeah I agree that the Black Cats are a long way from challenging the top teams. But that's not to say they won't. Who would have predicted that in the 1973 FA Cup, second division Sunderland would beat a star studded Leeds United. They've basically had the same team that won promotion a few years ago. While they've done well to finish 7th in the past two years, they badly need some depth, for starters, a right sided wingman, an attacking centre half (another Don Hutchinson would be nice) and a quality striker to back up Quinny and Supa Kev. And yeah, the NE is a very tough environment to play in. However, Reidy's done well to pick up a few quality Argentinians in Arca and Mendina. Arca's just been a revelation, but Reid has had to play him out of position, on the right, because they don't have any one there at the moment.
But realistically, who can really break up the Man U dynasty? They are so far ahead of everyone in terms of money and marketing cache, that they can just go out and buy whoever they want to bolster their team. Arsenal, Liverpool or Leeds might sneak a few titles here and there, but the Manure coffers appear bottomless. Did you hear the rumour that Viera was considering leaving the Gunners and joining.....Man U!!!! that would be a tragedy considering that Viera is the backbone of the Arsenal team and has been touted as a possible future captain. I hope it's just rumours.
p.s. how about Australia beating France 1 nil??? you bewdy!
"everyone's a winner hot pies"
As for honours, yeah I agree that the Black Cats are a long way from challenging the top teams. But that's not to say they won't. Who would have predicted that in the 1973 FA Cup, second division Sunderland would beat a star studded Leeds United. They've basically had the same team that won promotion a few years ago. While they've done well to finish 7th in the past two years, they badly need some depth, for starters, a right sided wingman, an attacking centre half (another Don Hutchinson would be nice) and a quality striker to back up Quinny and Supa Kev. And yeah, the NE is a very tough environment to play in. However, Reidy's done well to pick up a few quality Argentinians in Arca and Mendina. Arca's just been a revelation, but Reid has had to play him out of position, on the right, because they don't have any one there at the moment.
But realistically, who can really break up the Man U dynasty? They are so far ahead of everyone in terms of money and marketing cache, that they can just go out and buy whoever they want to bolster their team. Arsenal, Liverpool or Leeds might sneak a few titles here and there, but the Manure coffers appear bottomless. Did you hear the rumour that Viera was considering leaving the Gunners and joining.....Man U!!!! that would be a tragedy considering that Viera is the backbone of the Arsenal team and has been touted as a possible future captain. I hope it's just rumours.
p.s. how about Australia beating France 1 nil??? you bewdy!
"everyone's a winner hot pies"
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hey london dave
I saw a most interesting documentary on millwall, which screened in Melb a few weeks ago on ABC. it showed your president (or board member?) doing a week's work experience down at the ground level...assisting in the canteen on match day, maintenance work, grounds keeping etc.. he was cypriot and wanted to rid the club of the racist and hooligan tags that it copped in the past. like I said it was a very interesting insight into what goes on at an English football club. were your fans really as bad as the chelsea headhunters in the 80s?? however, most of the shite in the show came from the away fans, when they complained about the food during the match day
"everyone's a winner hot pies"
I saw a most interesting documentary on millwall, which screened in Melb a few weeks ago on ABC. it showed your president (or board member?) doing a week's work experience down at the ground level...assisting in the canteen on match day, maintenance work, grounds keeping etc.. he was cypriot and wanted to rid the club of the racist and hooligan tags that it copped in the past. like I said it was a very interesting insight into what goes on at an English football club. were your fans really as bad as the chelsea headhunters in the 80s?? however, most of the shite in the show came from the away fans, when they complained about the food during the match day
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JB75 If I may be permitted to answer yor question, YES Millwall's hooligan element was as bad as Chlesea's perhaps even worse.They went under the names of the bushwackers & the F Squad although taking an outside view IMO the inter city firm from West Ham were the worst (or best depending on your viewpoint) of the lot with a degree of organisation & tactical planning that would have done Napoleon proud.
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shite lop-sided slab that passes for a home ground, shite overpriced beer that looks like hawthorn's home shorts, and shite illegitimate twat that passes for a striker.
yeah, it's great to be a geordie..LOL
Ha'way the lads!!
"While stands the MCG, Collingwood shall stand.
When falls the MCG, Collingwood shall fall.
And when Collingwood falls -- the World."
yeah, it's great to be a geordie..LOL
Ha'way the lads!!
"While stands the MCG, Collingwood shall stand.
When falls the MCG, Collingwood shall fall.
And when Collingwood falls -- the World."
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Collingwood cheersquad banner on 19 May 2001:
"The Magpie Name is Ours Alone"
The rest can get stuffed, i.e. Newcastle, Notts County, Port Adelaide, Glenorchy, Brunswick-Broadmeadows, Western Suburbs, and all other black and white pretenders.
Ha'way the Lads!!
"While stands the MCG, Collingwood shall stand.
When falls the MCG, Collingwood shall fall.
And when Collingwood falls -- the World."
"The Magpie Name is Ours Alone"
The rest can get stuffed, i.e. Newcastle, Notts County, Port Adelaide, Glenorchy, Brunswick-Broadmeadows, Western Suburbs, and all other black and white pretenders.
Ha'way the Lads!!
"While stands the MCG, Collingwood shall stand.
When falls the MCG, Collingwood shall fall.
And when Collingwood falls -- the World."