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The organisation was founded by radical Marxists in the US who want to defund the police, destroy the nuclear family and overthrow capitalism.
Are you being sarcastic Jezza, or is that what you really think?
If it is your genuine opinion, that disappoints me greatly because i have always thought your football posts were well reasoned, well balanced and intelligent.
I think what Jezza was referring to were the left wing (yes, in some cases extreme left wing) political action groups that took the lead in organising the initial BLM protest rallies....and make no mistake, a lot of those people are sanctimonious dicks.
Fair to say the BLM movement has broad support though
eddiesmith wrote:
Really? Yet you google those names and BLM and there is a hell of a lot of results of them campaigning for BLM...
Firstly, you have to distinguish between Black Lives Matter as a hashtag and generic rallying phrase that has been adopted by many people who believe that black lives have been undervalued, and BLM as some specific organization that may or may not have individuals who you regard as in some way disreputable.
BLM has nothing to do with socialism. Socialism is based on class, not on race. The leaders of BLM are pseudo-lefts, they claim to be "left wing" but in reality are political opportunists using the issue of race to advance definite material interests. However, those hundreds of thousands of ordinary citizens who participated in the anti-police violence protests in the US are totally different from the BLM leaders. They were motivated by a fight for justice and equality.
Magpietothemax wrote:BLM has nothing to do with socialism. Socialism is based on class, not on race. The leaders of BLM are pseudo-lefts, they claim to be "left wing" but in reality are political opportunists using the issue of race to advance definite material interests. However, those hundreds of thousands of ordinary citizens who participated in the anti-police violence protests in the US are totally different from the BLM leaders. They were motivated by a fight for justice and equality.
We are getting way off topic here but the ordinary people who were participating were being used even though they did not realise it. That process has been repeated by those seeking wealth or power on a large scale many times in the past and it will continue into the future.
Ronnie McKeowns boots wrote:I think what Jezza was referring to were the left wing (yes, in some cases extreme left wing) political action groups that took the lead in organising the initial BLM protest rallies....and make no mistake, a lot of those people are sanctimonious dicks.
Fair to say the BLM movement has broad support though
This. Pretty much sums up my thought.
I don't deny good people exist in the movement believing they're doing something good. I'm talking about the founders of the movement and what their goals are.
Black Lives Matter is a universal and acceptable idea. Black Lives Matter the organisation is a different story.
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I have no doubt that if you look at any social movement, whether significant or otherwise, you will always find hangers-on who look to benefit or to take control or be "spokesperson" or whatever. The art is always in distinguishing between the important aspect of the movement and the arseholes that hang around it and off it.
Pies4shaw wrote:I have no doubt that if you look at any social movement, whether significant or otherwise, you will always find hangers-on who look to benefit or to take control or be "spokesperson" or whatever. The art is always in distinguishing between the important aspect of the movement and the arseholes that hang around it and off it.
Spot on P4S!!!! A superb comment. It's going straight into my little book of useful tenets!!
Some good comments. Also some that fit my rant in the Eddie proud thread. I would like to think that most of the protestors. Not the morons spoiling for a fight, we’re doing so because, well, Black Lives Matter.
And not just when it comes to cops, what ever colour they are, when it comes to shooting each other, when it comes to teachers in schools, I’m probably naive but I like to think there is at least some hope that people really are concerned about these things
You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either!
Speaking of cults! I think it's fair to say that the assorted gun enthusiasts of America and their political backers are a much better organised and more dangerous one than any supposed socialist conspiracy could ever be.
"Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange
It also seems that what I wrote above (about the gulf between the straightforward demands of the grassroots movement and the murkier machinations of "Big BLM") has been well and truly borne out, unfortunately:
There are, broadly speaking, two branches of activism. There are on-the-ground, grassroots organizers like Johnson, who work locally, passionately, with little money, often risking their lives and livelihood through their protests. And then there are the larger, more professionalized national groups with corporate donations and fund-raising power, whose high-profile leaders can garner lucrative speaking gigs and book deals. Tensions between the two paths have existed at least since the American civil-rights movement of the 1950s and ’60s. But social justice and modern civil rights have become increasingly fashionable in the ten years since Trayvon Martin’s death, and more money than ever has flowed to the most visible groups. They have reaped tens of millions of dollars, while some local organizers stretched themselves to the brink of homelessness. Even as national groups have made overtures to work more closely with community organizers, activists in the latter camp have become concerned that their work is being co-opted by profiteers. This decades-old divide now exists in extreme form within Black Lives Matter. It is simultaneously a decentralized coalition of local organizers who eke out progress city by city, dollar by dollar, and an opaque nonprofit entity, well capitalized and friendly with corporations.
"Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange
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