The Hydra ~ Caro rears her head again

[The Boy Who Cried Wolf]

This is a shambles!!! There are no words.

[WhyPhilWhy?]

Q: "So, what do you think of your current management team?"
A: "Useless - they should all be sacked."

What's he supposed to say? "It's not my place to comment," has also been interpreted as not supporting them.

[Abdul The Bull]

Ironic that the coach is being questioned about the board! Usually it's the other way around. And, after receiving "the full support of the board" the coach invariably gets fired. Let's see what happens in this case...

[The Boy Who Cried Wolf]

We all know I'm personally not a 'Buckley' fan but I have zero objection with him supporting the board publicly, what else do you expect him to do?!??

[Rd10.1998_11.1#36]

The “faction” that gets my vote will say:

1. “We are for the members. The club will stop treating the members like an annoyance whose money we want but who should otherwise keep quiet”;
2. “We are a football club. Our very existence and reason for being is to win games of football and premierships"

And who will you vote for when neither faction says that? Or when both say it?

These statements are both a bit meaningless without some actions attached to them outlining to how those objectives will be achieved

I can't believe that neither group have enlisted John Bertrand, a Collingwood member with impeccable resume, who is apparently 'willing to serve'

Korda and Browne, like Eddie before them (and a certain balding American), want board members who are loyal to them, not potential challengers for the role of president

[88MPH]

^^
I understand your point but they’re not meaningless when an organisation loses its direction.

It’s the very reason why businesses have a core statement of ideals that underpins their purpose.

My point is that you can’t keep ignoring a. Your members & b. Your very reason for existence and expect there to be no change.

Again, any candidate who proffers these as their basis for election will get my vote. I am not confident that any of them will do so.

[Ronnie McKeowns boots]

...
Let me give it a go with this Hardwick and no evidence stuff.

Hmmm 3 premierships in 4 years. Yep, that's enough evidence for me to say he is not a good coach, he is a Great Coach.
...

Did Hardwick coach in any way differently 2017--[now] from [?]--2016?
I reckon the answer is no.

He lucked out.

I would love to see him coach another club (not Collingwood), just so we can see what happens. But I don't think it'll happen.


I reckon someone like Neil Craig was a far superior coach to Dimma, just much less lucky. We all underestimate how much luck matters in life... especially when the luck goes our way.

Good call on Neil Craig

Lost two home PFs in a row, didn't seem to be able to do the business in finals

[WhyPhilWhy?]

^ That's hardly a new phenomenon...

[What'sinaname]

Nathan Buckley has publicly endorsed the current Board.

That's inappropriate. It's not his place. It smells like a quid pro quo deal.

That's awesome. As it tells us that if we get a new board, we get a new coach.

No way will a new board support a coach who didn't want them.

Thank you Buckley for showing your hand

[Magpietothemax]

Nathan Buckley has publicly endorsed the current Board.

That's inappropriate. It's not his place. It smells like a quid pro quo deal.

That's awesome. As it tells us that if we get a new board, we get a new coach.

No way will a new board support a coach who didn't want them.

Thank you Buckley for showing your hand

That's a good point. But what if we don't get a new board????

[masoncox]

this is not a normal situation. we have 2 different camps that a vying for control.
in this situation he should not comment full stop.
he is rabbit for commenting

[Magpietothemax]

this is not a normal situation. we have 2 different camps that a vying for control.
in this situation he should not comment full stop.
he is rabbit for commenting

Not necessarily. Maybe he is now part of the contest himself, and is supporting the current board in its struggle against its rivals. That to me would seem the most likely interpretation.
I would therefore say that a board spill and if necessary an EGM is therefore both essential and urgent. Otherwise, if left to an internal contest without the intervention of the membership, the chances are significant that the status quo will remain, and we could find ourselves locked into another 2 or 3 years of this coaching disaster.

[stui magpie]

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/magpies-challenger-outlines-coach-plan-rejects-power-and-privilege-gibe-20210603-p57xw1.html

For those who missed it, this is where Browne goes as close as he's going to, to outline his position.

The 3 board members he'd keep, the role of members and why he's challenging.

I dropped from Legends to a season ticket this year so I don't get a vote any more (I've always had good timing like that) but I'd be voting for Browne and hoping that some of the current board could be convinced to stay.

[pietillidie]

^Not much choice now, by the looks.

Can someone clarify Buckley's supposed 'endorsement' of the current board? Was it just passing support or an out-and-out endorsement?

[Geoff Hayward]

Whether enough members approve of Browne or not. The best thing that could happen to Collingwood is an EGM.

All board and in turn administration positions at the club need to be examined. The same goes for Buckley and his assistants.

From the incompetent post office worker to the bulldogs fan slid into to help with equity / diversity or whatever trend Collingwoke has decided to worry about next, change is needed.

Collingwood should not be social experiment and too many board members and positions are being allocated with this in mind.
Collingwood is a FOOTBALL CLUB FIRST. The AFLW, the Netball teams, social causes, whilst important, are NOTHING without the men's team.


No other sporting club in the world to my knowledge has labelled itself Systemically racist. A vile term that the club itself does not even understand having debated this with the club.
Instead of an impressive focused pre season, the club decided to write a report.
A woefully written report which concluded it was systemically racist. This disgusting and degrading term, has forever stained Collingwood and will follow the club in the coming decade and see the club fork out millions.
This term is branded on each Collingwood fan now.
No other AFL club has had such disdain for past and present fans and past players ( such as Lee Adamson) in this action.

The crowds are low this season not just because we are playing defensive football, not winning games and in the midst of a pandemic.
But also, many fans are tired of the media hype, the BS stories, the racism claims, the sexual assault claims, the endless Collingwood bashing and the clubs constant own bashing. I know of a dozen die hard fans who have drifted away from the club like never before.

The finances may be good at present, but they will not be in the future whilst the club shows little respect for its fast dwindling fan base.

The club needs to have greater influence from the fans, before they disappear for good. Ticking boxes to meet KPI's on diversity, equality and please the media hounds will not win football matches.

The club needs to be run by those who love the club and not those looking to improve their CV.