#8 Heritier Lumumba

[Pies4shaw]

Well if it means it’s now the club’s lawyers talking to his lawyers, and everyone else can get on with footy and living their lives whilst the lawyers sort it out, then it might be a good outcome for all involved.

It will certainly be a brilliant outcome for the lawyers, whatever happens.

[Mr Miyagi]

[Pebbles Rocks]

Whichever court listens to his grievances on the basis of Collingwood being an unsafe workplace etc, will need to think very carefully about how this could snowball into many many opportunists thinking that they can sue their employers for not protecting them from their colleagues.

None of us are denying there was some racism but the question is whether you choose to participate in the solution or you just cash in on it.

Having a court decide who was right or wrong is pointless. We already know Collingwood (like many others) could have done better.

Rudeboy is on the right track suggesting Heretier is being narcissistic. I would argue that Heretier has a "histrionic personality disorder" which is in the same family of dramatic and erratic behaviours as narcissism.

In a person with histrionic personality disorder, self-esteem depends on the approval of others. People with this disorder have an overwhelming desire to be noticed, and often behave dramatically or inappropriately to get attention.

Personality disorders are usually very difficult to treat so I don't see him changing his ways....

[Fatui Attata]

The number of defensive, offensive, blame filled insulting comments toward Heritier are just the evidence anyone could want to have about how far we have to go. All of these comments are inspired by ignorance and fear. Lazy, shameful and some of the worst assumptions I've come across in a long time. We all just need to keep listening....with respect....and maybe, hopefully one day, we will all understand what we are responsible for here. I doubt it. Embarrassing and destructive.

[stui magpie]

^^
@pebbles rocks

You just described my sons current girlfriend and at least 2 of his exes.

[Pebbles Rocks]

The number of defensive, offensive, blame filled insulting comments toward Heritier are just the evidence anyone could want to have about how far we have to go. All of these comments are inspired by ignorance and fear. Lazy, shameful and some of the worst assumptions I've come across in a long time. We all just need to keep listening....with respect....and maybe, hopefully one day, we will all understand what we are responsible for here. I doubt it. Embarrassing and destructive.

Ok rather than smear most of us with the typical response suggesting we are racist, please help us understand how Heritier is approaching this matter constructively? Just because of his colour it does not mean he should be immune from criticism and it does not make the criticism racist.

[Fatui Attata]

I refuse to pass judgment on Heritier. Or diagnose him without a single appointment. The only factual thing I know is he is still not happy. So I hope the club continues to reach out and listen to him. And then they can paint us a picture. When there's some form of clarity. But right now, it seems that things have moved nowhere.

The stuff I've read from some posters here is further fuel on the fire. Disgraceful really.

[Haff]

I refuse to pass judgment on Heritier. Or diagnose him without a single appointment. The only factual thing I know is he is still not happy. So I hope the club continues to reach out and listen to him. And then they can paint us a picture. When there's some form of clarity. But right now, it seems that things have moved nowhere.

The stuff I've read from some posters here is further fuel on the fire. Disgraceful really.

Agree. People should read up on unconscious bias. There is a lot of that going on here. I don’t like calling him his old name either. Talking about him whinging, lying etc is baseless and doesn’t come from a good place. I do get it, my natural reaction is to not like him and protect the club that we love but we have to be better than that. The bloke clearly experienced racism yet when he calls it out we want to dismiss him and tear him down. We have to be better than this.

[qldmagpie67]

This is a difficult situation really
If the indigenous boys believe they were racially vilified at any time at the club that’s a major issue
My concern is is this about a apology and moving forward or is the about publicity seeking
Racism of any sort is not tolerable or acceptable
I personally would like to see all 3 players be paid to assist the club in how this doesn’t happen again
If the lawsuit is successful it’s a Pandora’s box for all sporting codes and clubs across the land

[slangman]

The number of defensive, offensive, blame filled insulting comments toward Heritier are just the evidence anyone could want to have about how far we have to go. All of these comments are inspired by ignorance and fear. Lazy, shameful and some of the worst assumptions I've come across in a long time. We all just need to keep listening....with respect....and maybe, hopefully one day, we will all understand what we are responsible for here. I doubt it. Embarrassing and destructive.

As broad a generalisation as one can make.

Posters expressing their views that might be contrary to HL is as important as his ability to express his.
No NBB poster was in the inner sanctum during HL tenure at the club so can only really make assessments on what they read in the media. This makes it neither right or wrong.

A former high profile player in a private setting that I attended last year was asked about HL racism claims. He mentioned that his recollections were vastly different to HL but when pushed, didn’t want to elaborate for fear of a backlash.

Simon Buckley also questioned some HL claims during a twitter argument that subsequently got taken down by both parties.

To assume that everything that HL has claimed as fact is ignorant.

[stui magpie]

In relation to the court case, reported in the Age today

Lumumba filed documents in the Supreme Court in October 2020, suing Collingwood and the AFL and claiming they were liable for “failing to protect him from racism” on what was a generally endorsed writ.

However, the action has become stale after no writ was served within the 12-month time frame. Lumumba’s lawyers could seek leave of the court to extend the period in which he can launch the writ.

[David]

This is a difficult situation really
If the indigenous boys believe they were racially vilified at any time at the club that’s a major issue
My concern is is this about a apology and moving forward or is the about publicity seeking
Racism of any sort is not tolerable or acceptable
I personally would like to see all 3 players be paid to assist the club in how this doesn’t happen again
If the lawsuit is successful it’s a Pandora’s box for all sporting codes and clubs across the land

"If" they "believe" they have been? It’s not like they’ve been ambiguous about describing their experiences. Why don’t we skip the coy wording and start from the point of acknowledging that what happened to them is, indeed, a "major issue"?

On the last part, perhaps that Pandora’s box needs to be opened.

[thesoretoothsayer]

Lumumba filed documents in the Supreme Court in October 2020, suing Collingwood and the AFL and claiming they were liable for “failing to protect him from racism” on what was a generally endorsed writ.
However, the action has become stale after no writ was served within the 12-month time frame. Lumumba’s lawyers could seek leave of the court to extend the period in which he can launch the writ.

If you go to trial you may lose and end up with a huge lawyer bill.
On the other hand, if you can pressure the other side to give you a big payout without going to trial you're laughing all the way to the bank.

[matrix10]

[stui magpie]

^

You also have instances where people feel genuinely aggrieved but it's all due to their own personality make up and there's no substance to a complaint.

Not saying that is the case here, but I have had to investigate complaints like that, the people didn't take it well when told there was no substance to their complaint.