Tommy Robinson arrested and jailed

[thesoretoothsayer]

When there have been substantive claims that councils, police and social workers turned a blind eye to grooming gangs in Rochdale, Rotherham, Oxford and Telford and only took action after media exposure, I think you can reasonably claim a possible cover up.
Even in this case, there are reports of police and social workers choosing not to take action: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-45669910

As for the moron stuff:
Remember, you spent much of this thread arguing that the judiciary got it so right regards Robinson's conviction and jailing.
You mesmerised us with your legal babble, astounded us with your condescension, thrilled us with your accusations or racism.
And then ended up with egg all over your face after Robinson's appeal was successful.

How I laughed...

[Pies4shaw]

[Wokko]

Let me simplify it for you - when people are actually being tried for particular crimes, there is not much purpose to pretending that society is actually turning a blind eye to their alleged crimes. Even a moron can see that that is correct, surely?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/books/what- ... s-covered/

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion ... e20335529/

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... il-figures

It was covered up by council and local authorities for decades. Thousands of young girls were raped and abused by Muslim men for years and nothing was done until someone blew the whistle and Parliament got involved.

Your callousness towards this issue is astounding.

People are being tried despite the attempts to cover this up, it WAS successfully covered up for around 20 years. Because of these cover ups and an unwillingness even now to name perpetrators religious and ethnic backgrounds (hiding behind 'Asian' when they're pretty much all Pakistani Muslims) 1000s of girls have been destroyed and it's still happening.

Get off your high horse and contemplate these crimes from the perspective of the humans and humanity involved.

[Pies4shaw]

[Tannin]

Since when did right-wing nutjobs care about Pakistani girls anyway?

Or any girls, come to think of it. Especially brown ones.

[David]

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[Pies4shaw]

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[David]

^ I think what bothers me (apart from the awful facts of the crimes themselves) is that there is a legitimate pattern we're seeing (as in Cologne and a few other cases in Europe) of 'liberal' authorities trying to cover up or downplay crimes or gang activity committed by people from minority cultural or ethnic backgrounds. That they are seeking to reduce the risk of civil unrest and racist backlash is quite understandable; but they have to understand that suppressing information is not an effective response, and only emboldens the far right. Think about it this way: when the only people who are telling you the truth on certain matters (albeit in highly selective ways and for bigoted purposes) are people like Tommy Robinson and outlets like Breitbart, then those people have scored a massive propaganda goal.

For people like me who oppose racism and xenophobia and support mass migration, cultural tolerance and religious freedom, the answer to the conundrum is obvious: don't suppress stuff. Make statistics available. If there's a problem that is currently outsized in a certain community, like Sudanese gang activity, acknowledge it, deal with it and help the general public understand why. Politically correct euphemisms or suppression of facts not only potentially make the problem much bigger (as they seem to have in Rotherham), but they play into the narratives and tactics of those who want to divide our society and intimidate minorities.

[Pies4shaw]

[David]

^ I agree with that part. But this is the only thread on Nick's in which the actual subject of the trial he was jeopardising has been raised, and it does seem to me that those of our general political persuasion out there on social media and beyond seem to be much more interested in talking about what a dangerous, rabble-rousing moron Robinson is (and yes, he is) than the actual crimes that his kind fixate on.

As a case in point, I did a search for 'Rotherham' on Nick's BB, and the only people who've even mentioned it are 1061, Wokko and thesoretoothsayer, all (and I hope they'll forgive me for saying so) openly right-wing and anti-Muslim migration. That's a small sample size, but I'm sure we'd see similar trends elsewhere; in my international left-wing Facebook echo chamber in which stories about every progressive cause imaginable regularly get shared, for instance, I've barely heard a peep about these crimes. Surely a matter of widespread sexual exploitation and violence against young working-class girls is not just an important story for the far-right, so why does broader public discourse seem to be treating it as such?

[Pies4shaw]