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Pies4shaw wrote:What does "jury still out here?" mean in relation to a player taken at pick 18 who has played 171 games, been all-Australian twice and won 2 Copeland Trophies? Surely that can't be a knock on the recruiters?
More an observation of his current value, on this forum.
Without rehashing other threads - the money he is on, compared to connection with midfielders at clearances, as things stand at present, etc.
I'm hopeful new coaching regime can correct this, or it's bottom four again in 2022.
Pies4shaw wrote:What does "jury still out here?" mean in relation to a player taken at pick 18 who has played 171 games, been all-Australian twice and won 2 Copeland Trophies? Surely that can't be a knock on the recruiters?
More an observation of his current value, on this forum.
Without rehashing other threads - the money he is on, compared to connection with midfielders at clearances, as things stand at present, etc.
I'm hopeful new coaching regime can correct this, or it's bottom four again in 2022.
To me the problem seems to be his hesitancy to occasionally whack the ball 30 metres towards the opposition goals, even if sometimes it rebounds, just to be unpredictable and not always drop the ball at his feet which makes it so easy for opposition midfielders to shark the ball. McRae must fix this ruck work issue first and foremost. He and Grundy need to work out the solution.
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piedys wrote:
Nah, I'm not on board with delisting Sier; totally unnecessary.
We haven't enough strong bodied mids on the list, even allowing for Lippy.
He deserved at least one year under McFly to see if he could recapture the form which brought him to senior selection in 2018.
Agree, Piedsy. I would not have delisted him either.
would suggest Siers spot was decided by people inside the club that see all aspects of his dedication, commitment and talent progression. There is a reason no one wanted to trade for him.
Think we all agree, at one stage his talent looked like it had no ceiling. Then it did. Then he went backwards and never looked like he wanted to turn it around.
We have too many kids to develop for him to hold a spot. If he wants it bad enough he can push again. Im just not sure he has it in him
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Many people seem to be under the false impression that anybody can develop the level of fitness required to be a successful AFL midfielder by working hard. It's just not true. It's like saying anybody could be a sub 2:30 marathoner if only they trained hard enough.
There have been plenty of players that have turned their careers around by putting in extra training to raise their stamina levels. Swanny is the classic example. I would argue that these players always had the innate potential to reach the required level. Others don't.
As far as we know Sier was in the latter category.
And as far as we know, Sier did all the extra work and he fulfilled his potential. Time to cut him some slack.
npalm wrote:Many people seem to be under the false impression that anybody can develop the level of fitness required to be a successful AFL midfielder by working hard. It's just not true. It's like saying anybody could be a sub 2:30 marathoner if only they trained hard enough.
There have been plenty of players that have turned their careers around by putting in extra training to raise their stamina levels. Swanny is the classic example. I would argue that these players always had the innate potential to reach the required level. Others don't.
As far as we know Sier was in the latter category.
And as far as we know, Sier did all the extra work and he fulfilled his potential. Time to cut him some slack.
pretty sure Buckley AND the leadership group believed he just didn't put in the work. That's why he couldn't get a game in the last 2 years.
and by the way, while 2.30 is an incredibly quick marathon (and so beyond most folks no matter how hard they work), I'm pretty sure anyone can run out a marathon if they train hard enough (and a five hour runner could easily break 4 hours). Shit, if i can run a 2.48, anyone can!
piedys wrote:
Hine strikes again; not Sier's fault he got taken at that pick...
This was a super draft … at the front end. Our first pick was 32 with which we took Sier. I know you don’t like Hine but looking at the draftees after Sier they’re no great shakes.
2 mins from a premiership player. He looked the goods that year.
Certainly had a few mates who were 2 mins away from premiership players in 2018, and this one's haunting me to the grave.
Sure, not Hine's WORST selection by any stretch, and nothing worth crying over after pick #36 in 2015.
The club's obsession with Treloar cost us the 1st round pick prior to Sier, so that's when the trouble started.
That means that the 2013 draft was a total bust, along with 2015 draft.
However, the 2014 draft was better, with unexpected departure of Beams netting us DeGoey, Crisp and Moore.
2012 draft netted us Grundy [jury still out here?], and wasted other picks on broomhead and that other ball butcher.
Hine has much, much to answer for landing us in this prolonged mire, and wanders around the joint tally unaccountable, like his shit doesn't stink, and none of this was his problem. How he keeps his job absolutely stuns me.
I respect your right to an opinion. However, I think if you go through the drafts since 2005 ( not sure when he was in charge so happy to be corrected ) and look at who we took and the picks that followed each pick, I believe Hine does well.
We have hindsight, he didn’t. Would love to see specifically who and how many he “missed” in your opinion.
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piedys wrote:
Hine has much, much to answer for landing us in this prolonged mire, and wanders around the joint tally unaccountable, like his shit doesn't stink, and none of this was his problem. How he keeps his job absolutely stuns me.
I respect your right to an opinion. However, I think if you go through the drafts since 2005 ( not sure when he was in charge so happy to be corrected ) and look at who we took and the picks that followed each pick, I believe Hine does well.
We have hindsight, he didn’t. Would love to see specifically who and how many he “missed” in your opinion.
Sure, in fairness it warrants a dissection of each draft since he commenced the role; I can't be sure of Hine's starting date either, so If anybody else can confirm, please do so.
IMO, he lived off the glory of 2008 [Beams and Sidebottom] for too long, and got complacent and sloppy. People use can hindsight as an excuse for his poor selections, but I don't buy it - he has access to exactly the same footage of the players available pre draft day, as all the other recruiters.
This will be a job for the summer nights, through the off-season though
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Lets see what the current crop of young blokes do. We got a lot in the past 2 years in round 30+ and a few are showing good signs. Harder to pick talent lower in the field.
Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down.
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