Post inauguration Trump:

[watt price tully]

For karma’s sake, he should have to wear them in public for a year if Trump loses.

i agree! he would anyway! when he wears them people have the weirdest reactions! he gets lots of hi 5s and hugs!! from men!

I have an Obama Coffee Mug

[Tannin]

Most of that was true for Bush if not worse (he was every bit as much a climate change denier and environmental wrecker

That ridiculous claim is just horseshite write large. There is no comparison. Trump's environmental record makes Bush look like a Greenpeace radical.

[think positive]

For karma’s sake, he should have to wear them in public for a year if Trump loses.

i agree! he would anyway! when he wears them people have the weirdest reactions! he gets lots of hi 5s and hugs!! from men!

I have an Obama Coffee Mug

loved Obama - but i have a Hilary t shirt!! I bought it outside the white house just before the election!!

[David]

Most of that was true for Bush if not worse (he was every bit as much a climate change denier and environmental wrecker

That ridiculous claim is just horseshite write large. There is no comparison. Trump's environmental record makes Bush look like a Greenpeace radical.

Uh, okay...

Bush refuses to sign Kyoto Protocol (thus providing an excuse for other climate rogue states like Australia to follow suit): http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/1247518.stm
ExxonMobil directly influences the Bush administration's climate policy: https://www.theguardian.com/news/2005/j ... matechange
Climate deniers actively supported and funded by the administration: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... it-192430/
State-based climate policies sabotaged: https://www.commondreams.org/news/2007/ ... limate-law
Scientists pressured to toe the line: https://web.archive.org/web/20070202012 ... 130-10.htm
Inconvenient scientific reports systematically censored and suppressed by the White House: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/p ... 005994.stm

Tannin, life in lockdown here in Melbourne is terribly boring. I need to know what you're smoking so I can have some, please!

[pietillidie]

[pietillidie]

[Sicks Bux]

i agree! he would anyway! when he wears them people have the weirdest reactions! he gets lots of hi 5s and hugs!! from men!

I have an Obama Coffee Mug

loved Obama - but i have a Hilary t shirt!! I bought it outside the white house just before the election!!

My son got a Bernie Sanders mug made for me at Kmart for my Birthday last year. It was a very thoughtful present.

[David]

[pietillidie]

^Criticise all you like, but don't forget actual leaders with actual responsibility by necessity have to prioritise and solve things in order. Without stability and general sanity, you have no ability to get anything done, so obviously you have to right the ship first - especially in the midst of global economic and international relations crisis, and domestic chaos. It's not management rocket science. You do understand the extent of the crisis, don't you? It's not an internet forum crisis; it's an actual crisis with more economies in recession than the Great Depression.

As a case in point, when's the last time you heard about the threat of global warming? Billions of dead Australian animals, incessant Californian fires, increased intense weather events, droughts causing people migrations, mass extinction of species accelerating out of hand, disease spread more likely, and not a peep. Why? Because there is even much greater and more pressing chaos to deal with right now caused by this scumbag and his enablers. It's going to take years to clear away his rubble to even get to climate change and the rubble it's causing at the same time. And you worry about internet trivia such as whether or not a journalist exaggerated the words of a contemptuous malignant narcissist who physically mocked a disabled journalist on global media the minute he stepped into the role.

Honestly, the facile reading is thinking you're looking at something different at any resolution worth bothering with. Reams of garbage written to save face by people trying to pretend that they're not the same whackos who use racism, nationalism, thuggery and batshit fundamentalism as the last lot. Trump has simply startled the old elite who worry about their reputations by exposing them for who they are because as a malignant narcissist he's entirely shameless and can't be bothered putting an acceptable veneer on standard GOP policy. He's no different in any substantive way except having no sense of shame; he's merely exposing what has always been there and arming the militia. Again, very same people, very same party, very same policies, very same harnessing of a dangerous and violent mob psychiatry.

Let's explore this for a moment. Just what is the difference between Trump and the GOP?

Tax policy? Nope. Social services policy? Nope. National debt? Nope. Global contempt? Nope? Environmental wreckage and protection wind back? Nope. Warmongering? Nope. Surrounded by grifters and criminals? Nope. Depriving people of decent healthcare? Nope. Supporting fundamentalist regimes with weapons to kill neighbours? Nope. Supporting the military-industrial complex by wrecking treaties and doling out weapons? Nope. Insufficient regulations controlling banks? Nope. Wrecking global arrangements they can't control? Nope. Nepotists extending their family reach? Nope. Triggering financial crises through mismanagement? Nope. Corrupt unqualified loyalists in serious government positions? Nope. Whipping up hysteria against a new world enemy? Nope. Lying incessantly? Nope. Fuelling shock jock hysteria to keep people embroiled in rage? Nope. Handing out corrupt contracts? Nope. Wasting money on vanity projects while people live in squalor? Nope. Pretending to be free market but protecting the economy when it suits? Nope. Promising to improve their own voters' lives only to wreck them further? Nope. Under-staffing departments for ideological reasons? Nope. Mental gun-wielding and gun-waving fanaticism? Nope. Anti-scientific idiocy? Nope. Batshit mental policies to deny young women control of their lives? Nope. Glorying in market highs over the real state of people's lives and wellbeing? Nope. Driving students into deeper debt to punish them for trying to rise above their station? Nope. Fossil fuels handouts? Nope. Gross and contemptuous mismanagement of crisis causing people to die? Nope. Contempt for indigenous, black and minority people? Nope. Treating impoverished Central Americans as sub-humans? Nope.

As explained, there are two differences, and both are cosmetic, which makes perfect sense when dealing with a cheap showman who has mastered the art of the con:

One, Trump and thugs are using economic warfare rather than bombing or invading countries. Do you think the poor those developing nations who have lost three percent off their GDP before Trump's Covid-19 disaster were laughing? Do you think they're laughing now at the extra few percent taken off their GDP due to the halfwit mismanaging the superpower's response to the pandemic?

Let's be very clear, Trump would hand off killing people to pyschopath Pompeo in a second - except that Bush was such a disaster he ruined the PR of invading other countries for a while, and Trump has to pretend he is different (don't tell me you think a world-record liar and conman, and malignant narcissist who will stop at nothing when necessary, actually gives a toss whether people live or are lynched in Central Park for a crime they didn't commit?).

Instead, Trump has been forced to trigger a world trade war, i.e., a world war on time delay, punishing the global poor and yourself through global economic suppression. It's a bonus for him that this move also bamboozles people who have heard of WW2 but nothing that preceded it, so they won't realise they're creating fascism and collapsing world economies at the very same time.

Trump always goes for the weakest with a vicious and deranged callousness - you ought to know that about his psychiatry by now. All that global economic suffering at his hand just to give fist-waving wreckers a ruse so they can pretend he's actually doing something fundamentally different from those before him because he hasn't invaded a country yet. How dumb can people be? Do they think malignant narcissists aren't cunning manipulators who will seize any opportunity to misdirect them?

No, as I say, he's just doing to the world what he's doing to Iran because Bush and the very people who now support Trump ruined blowing shit up directly for a bit.

Two, given Trump has no face to protect, he's open about being a vile, corrupt, malignant piece of dog faeces. This has emboldened the deranged Taliban and Khmer Rouge Hats he represents, making them even more dangerous to fellow citizens. It's as if you feel sorry for him for being Bush and Cheney without mates, because that's all he is. Poor little Donald is not not really a textbook malignant narcissist; just misunderstood.

So no, the only facile analysis getting around are the desperate con pieces being penned to distract people from recognising it's the same old party with the same old fist-waving fanatics in tow, led by another elite GOP piece of shite with precisely the same policies backed by precisely the same money. As I say, same dog faeces, different colour.

Oh, but the hats! They wear red hats!

[David]

[Sicks Bux]

If only the Democrats went with Sanders. They'd have a candidate who could attack Trump on medicare for all, which 87% of Democrats support. and the outsourcing of jobs. Biden is in no position to do that , so they have to engage in the culture war BS which I feel plays into the hands of the GOP.

[stui magpie]

If only the Democrats went with Sanders. They'd have a candidate who could attack Trump on medicare for all, which 87% of Democrats support. and the outsourcing of jobs. Biden is in no position to do that , so they have to engage in the culture war BS which I feel plays into the hands of the GOP.

I was in the US in June 2016, went through El Paso, Vegas, Frisco and LA. You get to strike up conversations as you go around, bartenders, strippers, cab drivers, people having a smoke etc.

The large majority I spoke to then thought Medicare for all was socialist and didn't want a bar of it.

We look from the outside at their system and compare it negatively to ours, and rightly so IMO. But for a lot of them, that's what they've grown up with, it's what they understand.

You say 87% of democrats support it.

As of May 2020, Gallup polling found that 31% of Americans identified as Democrats, 25% identified as Republican, and 40% as Independent

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political ... .S._states

87% of 31% says, at worse, only 26% of Americans support it.

Their whole health system is completely different to ours and the UK.

That stat also goes a way to debunking the binary Republican v Democrat scenario. Fact is, the number of people who call themselves independant rather than affiliate themselves with either party has steadily increased over time.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/part ... ation.aspx

So it's pretty clear. If you rely on your base to win an election you likely won't. You need to get more of the independents than your opponent.

[pietillidie]

[Sicks Bux]

If only the Democrats went with Sanders. They'd have a candidate who could attack Trump on medicare for all, which 87% of Democrats support. and the outsourcing of jobs. Biden is in no position to do that , so they have to engage in the culture war BS which I feel plays into the hands of the GOP.

I was in the US in June 2016, went through El Paso, Vegas, Frisco and LA. You get to strike up conversations as you go around, bartenders, strippers, cab drivers, people having a smoke etc.

The large majority I spoke to then thought Medicare for all was socialist and didn't want a bar of it.

We look from the outside at their system and compare it negatively to ours, and rightly so IMO. But for a lot of them, that's what they've grown up with, it's what they understand.

You say 87% of democrats support it.

As of May 2020, Gallup polling found that 31% of Americans identified as Democrats, 25% identified as Republican, and 40% as Independent

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political ... .S._states

87% of 31% says, at worse, only 26% of Americans support it.

Their whole health system is completely different to ours and the UK.

That stat also goes a way to debunking the binary Republican v Democrat scenario. Fact is, the number of people who call themselves independant rather than affiliate themselves with either party has steadily increased over time.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/part ... ation.aspx

So it's pretty clear. If you rely on your base to win an election you likely won't. You need to get more of the independents than your opponent.

I'm pretty sure medicare for all has over 50% across the board support

[stui magpie]

I'm just going to put this here with no comment.

United States President Donald Trump has been reportedly nominated for the 2021 Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts to broker diplomatic ties between Israel and the United Arab Emirates.
Trump was nominated by Christian Tybrin-Gjedde, a member of the Norwegian Parliament, Fox News has reported.
"For his merit, I think he has done more trying to create peace between nations than most other Peace Prize nominees," Tybrin-Gjedde told Fox

https://www.9news.com.au/world/donald-t ... 4773ad9f74