Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2022 9:22 pm
^ Carlton are using Silvagni as a ruckman.
Quite correct. He's on considerably more than that.eddiesmith wrote:I doubt Melbourne is paying Petracca a million a year....
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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2022 9:38 pm
Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2022 9:43 pm
Pies4shaw wrote:Quite correct. He's on considerably more than that.eddiesmith wrote:I doubt Melbourne is paying Petracca a million a year....
Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2022 10:33 pm
No, he was being coached within a team overall that was being energised with Justin Longmuir and Buddha Hocking at the helmdalyc wrote:So when he was double AA Ruck under Bucks he was being under-coached?Magpietothemax wrote:Only true if you assume that Grundy is a normal ruckman. He is not. He is a ruckman with amazing tank, and midfield attributes.Wonka wrote: There is no question that elite midfielders are more important than ruckmen for clearances, as was made bleeding obvious by the game last week against Melbourne, in which we won the hit outs 43-38, but were smashed in the clearances, losing stoppage clearances 24-32 and centre clearances an astonishing 7-21, and this is why Graham Wright wants to trade out Grundy and trade in an inside mid.
Cox and Cameron are pure ruckmen when in the ruck, but I believe that Grundy has different characteristics which can be harnessed with imaginative coaching. I think we have that now.
To correctly analyse the game, you cannot look at individuals, but must consider the whole team context.
That is precisely why I am claiming that we must keep Grundy now.,
Within an imaginative and inclusive coaching environment, we have no idea as to what standards he can achieve.
Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2022 10:34 pm
Good for them. Did they beat Melbourne?What'sinaname wrote:^ Carlton are using Silvagni as a ruckman.
Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2022 11:27 pm
Yet the last time Melbourne beat Collingwood was also the last time Grundy played against Melbourne back in 2020...Magpietothemax wrote:Good for them. Did they beat Melbourne?What'sinaname wrote:^ Carlton are using Silvagni as a ruckman.
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 12:15 am
So I suppose you are claiming as a result of this last statement, QEDeddiesmith wrote:Yet the last time Melbourne beat Collingwood was also the last time Grundy played against Melbourne back in 2020...Magpietothemax wrote:Good for them. Did they beat Melbourne?What'sinaname wrote:^ Carlton are using Silvagni as a ruckman.
(Question..Eddie...Done).
Nah...does not compute.
Last time Collingwood played GF, Grundy was AA.
Sure I could find a myriad of other stats if I tried that proved my point over yours.
But I won't bother, because I would be proving nothing, just like you.
We are referring here to tendencies, and potential outcomes, which cannot be judged by cherry picked stats such as you are quoting.
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 2:48 am
Grundy will stay, as will De Goey, im certain of it.
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 9:25 am
... in a COVID-season shortened game with Collingwood playing in that idiot part of the "fixture" where we were required to play off a 4-day break at the Gabba. More specifically, Collingwood played games on the 2nd, 6th and 11th of August and then played Melbourne on the 15th. Those games were played in - wait for it - Perth, Brisbane, Adelaide and Brisbane. The "fixture" was obviously set up for us to be flogged along that little journey.eddiesmith wrote:Yet the last time Melbourne beat Collingwood was also the last time Grundy played against Melbourne back in 2020...Magpietothemax wrote:Good for them. Did they beat Melbourne?What'sinaname wrote:^ Carlton are using Silvagni as a ruckman.
If you weren't being completely asinine, you'd just acknowledge that Melbourne hasn't beaten Collingwood in a full-length game of AFL played in ordinary playing conditions since Queen's Birthday 2016. Jarrod Witts was our ruck that day.
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:42 am
Magpietothemax wrote:No, he was being coached within a team overall that was being energised with Justin Longmuir and Buddha Hocking at the helmdalyc wrote:You have your narrative and bend facts to suit it.Magpietothemax wrote: Only true if you assume that Grundy is a normal ruckman. He is not. He is a ruckman with amazing tank, and midfield attributes.
Cox and Cameron are pure ruckmen when in the ruck, but I believe that Grundy has different characteristics which can be harnessed with imaginative coaching. I think we have that now.
So when he was double AA Ruck under Bucks he was being under-coached?
To correctly analyse the game, you cannot look at individuals, but must consider the whole team context.
That is precisely why I am claiming that we must keep Grundy now.,
Within an imaginative and inclusive coaching environment, we have no idea as to what standards he can achieve.
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 12:25 pm
Meanwhile Melbourne rested their star ruckman the game before as they were playing the 3rd bottom side, but Grundy insisted on playing the bottom team because it was his home town…Putting himself ahead of the club yet again, seems to be a common trend…Pies4shaw wrote:... in a COVID-season shortened game with Collingwood playing in that idiot part of the "fixture" where we were required to play off a 4-day break at the Gabba. More specifically, Collingwood played games on the 2nd, 6th and 11th of August and then played Melbourne on the 15th. Those games were played in - wait for it - Perth, Brisbane, Adelaide and Brisbane. The "fixture" was obviously set up for us to be flogged along that little journey.eddiesmith wrote:Yet the last time Melbourne beat Collingwood was also the last time Grundy played against Melbourne back in 2020...Magpietothemax wrote: Good for them. Did they beat Melbourne?
If you weren't being completely asinine, you'd just acknowledge that Melbourne hasn't beaten Collingwood in a full-length game of AFL played in ordinary playing conditions since Queen's Birthday 2016. Jarrod Witts was our ruck that day.
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 12:34 pm
Max Gann wasn’t playing that day. Big max has played the other 6 times we have beaten them since 2016.eddiesmith wrote:Yet the last time Melbourne beat Collingwood was also the last time Grundy played against Melbourne back in 2020...Magpietothemax wrote:Good for them. Did they beat Melbourne?What'sinaname wrote:^ Carlton are using Silvagni as a ruckman.
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 12:55 pm
More drivel. The Melbourne game was played in Brisbane. Or are you - as usual - just attempting to skirt the issue by talking about something else entirely when you're caught out making up garbage?eddiesmith wrote:Meanwhile Melbourne rested their star ruckman the game before as they were playing the 3rd bottom side, but Grundy insisted on playing the bottom team because it was his home town…Putting himself ahead of the club yet again, seems to be a common trend…Pies4shaw wrote:... in a COVID-season shortened game with Collingwood playing in that idiot part of the "fixture" where we were required to play off a 4-day break at the Gabba. More specifically, Collingwood played games on the 2nd, 6th and 11th of August and then played Melbourne on the 15th. Those games were played in - wait for it - Perth, Brisbane, Adelaide and Brisbane. The "fixture" was obviously set up for us to be flogged along that little journey.eddiesmith wrote:Yet the last time Melbourne beat Collingwood was also the last time Grundy played against Melbourne back in 2020...
If you weren't being completely asinine, you'd just acknowledge that Melbourne hasn't beaten Collingwood in a full-length game of AFL played in ordinary playing conditions since Queen's Birthday 2016. Jarrod Witts was our ruck that day.
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 2:52 pm
Not according to the Herald Sun top 100 players. They have him in the $850-950 range. 11th on the list, just ahead of Oliver and Gawn both on $800-900.Pies4shaw wrote:Quite correct. He's on considerably more than that.eddiesmith wrote:I doubt Melbourne is paying Petracca a million a year....
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 2:58 pm
Maybe you should learn to read first before attacking people's correct points.Pies4shaw wrote:More drivel. The Melbourne game was played in Brisbane. Or are you - as usual - just attempting to skirt the issue by talking about something else entirely when you're caught out making up garbage?eddiesmith wrote:Meanwhile Melbourne rested their star ruckman the game before as they were playing the 3rd bottom side, but Grundy insisted on playing the bottom team because it was his home town…Putting himself ahead of the club yet again, seems to be a common trend…Pies4shaw wrote: ... in a COVID-season shortened game with Collingwood playing in that idiot part of the "fixture" where we were required to play off a 4-day break at the Gabba. More specifically, Collingwood played games on the 2nd, 6th and 11th of August and then played Melbourne on the 15th. Those games were played in - wait for it - Perth, Brisbane, Adelaide and Brisbane. The "fixture" was obviously set up for us to be flogged along that little journey.
If you weren't being completely asinine, you'd just acknowledge that Melbourne hasn't beaten Collingwood in a full-length game of AFL played in ordinary playing conditions since Queen's Birthday 2016. Jarrod Witts was our ruck that day.
But I imagine like every other time you get told you're wrong, you'll just delete this...