watt price tully wrote:mooretreloar wrote:AN_Inkling wrote:
I never said I didn't share the opinion. Doesn't change the fact that it is opinion though. We also don't know that we are accepting pick 70.
What we do know is that Cloke has a contract at Collingwood. It's his right to hold the club to it if he wishes. Instead he wants to be released from that contract and play at the Dogs for, it appears, quite a bit less money. None of that suggests his career is done. If no one wanted him to play a role at their club he'd stay at Collingwood and get paid. It's simply a fact that he is not done.
Not a fact that he is not done. Absolutely, my opinion that he is done, which has been hijacked by watt price tully wanting to get pedantic and have me quote experts.
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FFS MT:
You stated your opinion was backed by many experts. I asked which experts.
That's not pedantic, that's not an unreasonable question. That's not an agenda - stop being so paranoid.
Your opinion is that Cloke is done. Perhaps if you said he is done at Collingwood then that is an entirely different matter.
Although I did lie: I ended up making a vegetable curry with chickpeas instead of tofu burgers for the family (& me).
Now let me get back to try & make some tofu burgers we can have tomorrow night.
Stop making things up watt price tully.
This is what I posted. You decided to focus on what I have highlighted below. You were trying to be smart alec and in no way did I say my view was backed by many experts. I said that is my view and also the view of experts. Again, stop trying to be a smart alec and stop making things up.
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The pick Jay Clark mentioned was 71. Not sure how they can give us 71 when they don't have it, it belongs to Gelelong.
Bulldogs 1st 4th round pick is 59 (received from Carlton for Liam Jones, they also have 67 and 69 (received from Sydney for Michael Talia) in the 4th round.
Their 5th round pick is 85.
We can argue whether Cloke has good football left in him or not. My view is he is done,
as is the view of a lot of experts.
The facts are that he played 50% of his time in the VFL in 2016, whether you believe he should have played there or not, whether you believed he was treated well or not. Thus, taking opinions out of the equation if you take on face value that the reason he played VFL that is form wasn't good enough, then his starting value is not high.
The Bulldogs are only picking him up for coverage. Jason McCartney their list manager confirmed the reason that they are looking at Cloke is that they lack coverage in that area. This is because Redpath did his ACL and will be out until mid season 2017. I would very much doubt any other club is interested, yes Richmond was mentioned, but given the state of their list and their need to rebuild, I believe this is only media speculation.
The other factors to consider are that Collingwood doesn't want him, nor want his salary as part of its salary cap and Cloke doesn't want to play for Collingwood.
Putting this all together, you have a player that played 50% VFL in 2016, who most experts consider is done, who doesn't want to play with us and there isn't much interest in. We do not want him or his salary. If the shoe was on the other foot, would you expect Collingwood to use a 2nd or 3rd pick for such a deal?
Consequently, if we get pick 59 we are doing well, but I would suggest it is likely to be 67 or 69.
