Nick's Collingwood Bulletin Board

AN_Inkling wrote:I'm not blaming Adams for the loss, though he did cost us a chance to win it...

King Monkey wrote:Love the way the kid goes about it, but is woeful once he gets the pill - both with decision making and skill.
One particular piece of play summed up those 2 areas of his game at once today - coming out of defence in the third quarter he tried to kick a worm burner to a leading Witts which had very little margin for error, instead of floating it out in front for the big man to run on to; turnover, goal.

I'd prefer a guy like that to work with though, one who is hard at the ball but has some deficiencies with his skills - over a silky long kick who is scared of his own shadow.
You can teach a guy how and where to kick, you can't teach courage and ball winning ability.

It's a catch 22 as to his place in the side based on today.
He was great in and under, but definitely hurt us with some of his disposal.

Personally, I can't see all 3 of Adams, Thomas, Ball in the same side from here on in. Adams is in third place right now.

Mugwump wrote:Already posted several times elsewhere. I recall the Toovey haters - the pack moves on. The game was lost today because the midfield was outplayed and the Maxwell-less defence was like a headless chicken under pressure. Adams disposal amd composure under pressure is a problem ; but I think it's a maturity thing. What he needs is confidence, not abuse. He'll be a 100+ player, in the end.

Damien wrote:Can't believe the attack threads on this kid. Post here if you want to show him some support.

delcorp wrote:He is scared!

the pie guy wrote:

Damien wrote:Can't believe the attack threads on this kid. Post here if you want to show him some support.

Absolutely agree, the kid had 30 disposals and tried his heart out. sure made a few mistakes but was not alone. Some of the comments were/are disgusting.
I understand the disappointment but please keep the loss in perspective.

Dave The Man wrote:

delcorp wrote:He is scared!

Are you Stupid?

He had 21 Contested Possesions. That is Massive

Harvey wrote:Actually thought this was his best game for the club. Showed that he is actually a genuine tough inside mid that can win contested possessions and clearances. At least he is high production. His disposal was actually ok up until the last quarter.

Most of our players had terrible clangers tonight but his stands out the most cause we're actively looking for it. His disposal is improving and I'd much rather have him in the team than Blair ("I don't know where the footy is but I can follow a player and tackle them in a pack")

Flashman wrote:Plenty worse than him today. The kid stuffed up late but had a dip for 4 quarters which some of his more highly regarded teammates couldn't be stuffed doing.

Mugwump wrote:

Wokko wrote:BEST
Collingwood: Elliott, Pendlebury, Cloke, Adams, Dwyer, Lumumba

Named in the best, 30 touches, what the hell is wrong with you people? He's an inside midfielder so the possessions he gets are under pressure which is why he had SEVEN clearances, SEVEN tackles and FOUR inside 50s. He was great today but butchered it a bit late when he would've been out on his feet. It's like people watch the game without knowing anything about it at all.

His disposal efficiency was only 57%, but not that much worse than players who got a lot less of the ball. Blair was woeful, and I could understand people going nuts over his performance, but because he barely touched it you don't even notice. Blair had 29% disposal efficiency from 7 touches.

Seriously, if you're bagging Adams and blaming him for the loss then turn over to the soccer and **** off from following AFL because you have no damn clue.

Spirited defence, and I'm in sympathy with the point ; but there is no denying that his disposal, right now, is a major knock on his game. It seesm to be a composure thing. The good news is that this generally improves with games and the confidence and security they bring. Sinclair and Toovey have both had the same blowtorch, and both improved to be good players. Adams will get there eventually, though I can't see him as being in the best today.

AN_Inkling wrote:^^Depends for mine. If it was an incredibly crucial game, I'd want Ball. Doesn't get a massive amount of the ball, but at least makes good decisions when he does. Adams actively hurts us, not just passively. Still, I'd not be overly upset if we did go with Adams, he's got to start feeling more comfortable at some stage.

I think the loss of Beams and Sidebottom just helped to accentuate the shortcomings of Ball, Adams and Thomas. They are not terrible players, but they are players suited to one role, and ideally only one of them should be playing.